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• baines@lemmy.cafe ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  did you forget Russia exists? or China?

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  • Deceptichum@quokk.au ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Both are bad, neither is worse than the US.

    Just going by invasions and regime changes alone the US takes the cake. That’s before you get into the spreading crack into black communities, chemical weapons on civilians, drone strikes on children, ecological destruction, genocide enabling, etc etc.

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    • baines@lemmy.cafe ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      i hate defending the US because it has had more direct bad impact on my life bit by scale of lost life alone i’d still argue Russia is still worse, and if we lump current China to not even that long ago China the numbers killed are not even close

      the scale of China’s population just blows it allniut of proportion

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      • bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Wow you’re truly stupid lmao.

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      • Kultronx@lemmygrad.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        you sound like a nazi

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      • SlurpingPus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        by measure of lost life i’d still argue modern Russia is worse

        Idk what lost life you’re counting, because it’s pretty well known that civilian casualties in just the the Iraq war most likely dwarf Ukrainian losses.

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      • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        50+million chinese people and the ughyger genocided people would like to have a word with you.

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    • TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      By numbers US is probably worse but the level of cruelty from Russia is unmatched outside of terrorist organizations

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      • Deceptichum@quokk.au ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Would it really be tho?

        Like the US targets children and social gatherings to attack, tortures/rapes/murders innocent civilians in black sites, keeps a racial based underclass who they hook on drugs, violently assault from childhood, and lock up in record numbers to serve as legal slave labour. That’s pretty fucking cruel stuff.

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      • bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        How so? You’d have to bring up Tsarist Russia atrocities to match American ones. I for one can’t think of something more cruel than napalming villages in Vietnam, or dropping nukes on civilians in Japan, and that’s just a couple of examples in the vast bucket of wsr crimes of the US.

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  • Coleslaw4145@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You mean the two countries tied for 3rd place in the most evil country competition?

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    • baines@lemmy.cafe ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      recency bias and the US outsized reputation makes it seem that I’m sure but lol if you think this is true

      we’re just more free to complain about it, probably not for much longer though

      so if you think it’s bad now buckle up and I say this as a generational casualty of US colonialism

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      • Coleslaw4145@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Its not receny bias. The US didnt just turn evil in Jan 2025.

        How are are all those black prisoners working in privatised prisons doing by the way?

        China has 4 times the population as the US, yet the US still has the largest prison population on Earth.

        Slavery never ended in america.

        Land of the free my hole.

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  • skisnow@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    not to get all tankie on you, but China has thus far managed to restrain themselves from bombing other countries’ civilian populations.

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    • baines@lemmy.cafe ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      dude spend two min googling ‘Chinese atrocities from 1900’

      like again I really don’t want to frame this like the US is the good guy, the US is not, but as a matter of scale currently China is still worse

      China has been worse than Nazi Germany

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      • Koarnine@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Do explain how China has been worse than Nazi Germany, sounds like delusion.

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      • skisnow@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        dude spend two min googling ‘Chinese atrocities from 1900’

        Ok, I did that exact thing verbatim, and the entire first page of results are things that happened before anyone here was born.

        I’m not about to claim they’re saintly in any way, for sure they have lots of well-documented internal issues with civil liberties, free speech, and oppression of minority groups, but the fact that you’re going so far into the past to make your case just makes it a case in support of the opposite view.

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      • bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        You realize there has been three China since 1900? Qing dynasty -> Republic of china -> Current China. Also wtf are you even saying? You know the first thing that comes out from “Chinese atrocities from 1900” in google is the boxer’s rebellion? A push back from the people against the invading foreign powers that were starving China?

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  • bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Did you hit your head as a baby?

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