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CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

A failed state doesn’t just imply the fall of a government, it refers to a degradation of the conditions of a country such that effective governance by anyone is impossible for a period. Think like has happened in Somalia, or Haiti. I’m not going to claim that the Iranian government is a particularly admirable one, but that kind of condition would be even worse for the people living there, and the chances of that process resting in something significantly better when the country finally recovers again aren’t terribly high.

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FiniteBanjo@feddit.online ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
TBH I think even total anarchy, with roving bands of raiders, might be better than a country that wages war on every neighbor and kills thousands of protestors in a short time period. The fact that they ally themselves with China is just more on the pile.

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- baines@lemmy.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  bombing this institute solves anything how exactly?
  
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  - FiniteBanjo@feddit.online ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    You’re arguing with a strawman on that one.
    
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    baines@lemmy.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    no I’m advocating that attacking institutions of medicine and science runs counter to actually improving anything you claim to care about
    
    these were the people least likely to be a party to the actual Iranian atrocities
    
    i can’t tell if you are just arguing in bad faith, some kid inheriting beliefs from older family members or just not too bright
    
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- Deceptichum@quokk.au ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Anarchy is not roving bands of raiders. That’s Mad Max you’re thinking of.
  
  Anarchy is a way of living without a hierarchical authority dictating to the people.
  
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  - FiniteBanjo@feddit.online ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    It doesn’t have to be, but it certainly can be. I’ll have you know that the roving band of raiders are well read anarcho-communists helpfully enforcing their anti-hierarchical beliefs via a system of rotating shifts of enforcers of public safety and security, and forcefully redistributing food. It’s just that this specific case happens to involve killing everyone who disagrees with them.
    
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- theolodis@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  True, let’s hope Israel falls into Anarchy. Ah wait, they only starve the people they ethnically clean, are you talking about Israel???
  
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  - QUIC1DE@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    Random fact: Gaza depends on Israel for both its water and electricity. I’ve never found a “genocide believer” who can explain why Israel would continue to provide both if it truly is attempting to commit a genocide.
    
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    FiniteBanjo@feddit.online ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    They realize they have to kill them slow or else other countries will step in. It’s also why they’re fighting tooth and nail against the ICC’s genocide determination, even having VISA and Mastercard blacklist the judge.
    
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- GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  For a moment there I thought you were describing the USA.
  
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  - FiniteBanjo@feddit.online ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    You won’t hear any complaints from me if you support killing Trump or funding the resistance, as long as that resistance isn’t backed by something worse like China.
    
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    Deceptichum@quokk.au ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    Nothing is worse than the US.
    
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    GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    I see they brainwashed you good
    
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- bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  you’re insanely stupid, go touch grass.
  
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