So you’re implying that Russia’s attack on Ukraine should have never been allowed as well - but I have yet to see any American 🇺🇸 troups there.
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FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 3 weeks ago
Correction, that is not Israel’s goal. Israel’s goal is to expand their own territory, and it should never be allowed.
If Israel’s goal was the collapse of the Iranian state then that would be admirable because it’s a horrible fucking state. But, again, it is not.
Nikls94@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 3 weeks ago
I see their long range missiles there, despite every effort by the compromised Trump admin.
QUIC1DE@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Thats a cute narrative, but unfortunately it doesn’t align with reality in the slightest-
- Israel gifted the Sinai peninsula to Egypt in return for peace
- Israel attempted to return Gaza to Egypt after the `67 war, Egypt refused to take it back
- Israel attempted to return the West Bank to Jorden after the `67 war, Jordan refused to take it back (aka the “Allon plan”, google it)
- Israel has entered Lebanon multiple times to clear out the PLO and Hezbollah’s forward positions which were attacking Israel. Every single time it has pulled back to international borders once the threat was removed.
- Israel offered the PLO a 2-state solution on 98% of the land it demanded (Gaza/WestBank). PLO declined.
- Israel unilaterally exited Gaza in 2005 and handed it over to the Palestinians to self-govern. The Palestinians immediately used their newfound independence to attack Israel.
All of the above is public history which is a single Google search away. Be better.
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 2 weeks ago
That would be a really great argument, if not for the fact that Palestine has been shrinking in land area for decades and that Netanyahu’s regime helped Iran supply funds and weapons to Gaza.
CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 3 weeks ago
A failed state doesn’t just imply the fall of a government, it refers to a degradation of the conditions of a country such that effective governance by anyone is impossible for a period. Think like has happened in Somalia, or Haiti. I’m not going to claim that the Iranian government is a particularly admirable one, but that kind of condition would be even worse for the people living there, and the chances of that process resting in something significantly better when the country finally recovers again aren’t terribly high.
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 3 weeks ago
TBH I think even total anarchy, with roving bands of raiders, might be better than a country that wages war on every neighbor and kills thousands of protestors in a short time period. The fact that they ally themselves with China is just more on the pile.
baines@lemmy.cafe 3 weeks ago
bombing this institute solves anything how exactly?
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 3 weeks ago
You’re arguing with a strawman on that one.
Deceptichum@quokk.au 2 weeks ago
Anarchy is not roving bands of raiders. That’s Mad Max you’re thinking of.
Anarchy is a way of living without a hierarchical authority dictating to the people.
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 2 weeks ago
It doesn’t have to be, but it certainly can be. I’ll have you know that the roving band of raiders are well read anarcho-communists helpfully enforcing their anti-hierarchical beliefs via a system of rotating shifts of enforcers of public safety and security, and forcefully redistributing food. It’s just that this specific case happens to involve killing everyone who disagrees with them.
theolodis@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
True, let’s hope Israel falls into Anarchy. Ah wait, they only starve the people they ethnically clean, are you talking about Israel???
QUIC1DE@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Random fact: Gaza depends on Israel for both its water and electricity. I’ve never found a “genocide believer” who can explain why Israel would continue to provide both if it truly is attempting to commit a genocide.
GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
For a moment there I thought you were describing the USA.
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 3 weeks ago
You won’t hear any complaints from me if you support killing Trump or funding the resistance, as long as that resistance isn’t backed by something worse like China.
bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 2 weeks ago
you’re insanely stupid, go touch grass.