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• SmoothOperator@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  One could understand “men are trash” as having the meaning “every single man is trash”, which would be in line with racism as you say. Or one could understand it as “the group overall is trash”, meaning any individual member isn’t necessarily trash.

  The latter meaning is in some senses a matter of data - men are extremely overrepresented in e.g. violent crimes.

  Which, again, doesn’t much about the individual man.

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  • quips@slrpnk.net ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    So would you say “Black people overall are trash” is a racist statement?

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    • SmoothOperator@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Because of the current cultural context, yes. Even when you add “overall.” But I’d be completely open to you elucidating that you are referring to some non-racist point.

      If there’s been a history of people stating this about a group meaning every single member, then you need to assume that’s what they mean. I don’t think that’s the case with men.

      Not saying one meaning must be assumed over the other, you’ll have to depend on cultural context to understand the deeper meaning.

      Compare for example “men can’t give birth” vs. “men love sports”. The former clearly intends to say “all men”, the latter intends “the group overall”.

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• Soulg@ani.social ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Really crazy to see people continuing to defend statements like this in 2026

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• zloubida@sh.itjust.works ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  The expression “cheetahs run fast” is true, even if a slow cheetah, for example a wounded cheetah, is still a cheetah. The insistence on saying “not all men” every time someone says “men are trash” is just a new demonstration of the problem.

  (I’m a cis man myself, BTW.)

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  • Hubi@feddit.org ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I’ve seen the same analogy used to justify racism.

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    • zloubida@sh.itjust.works ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Maybe. But an analogy can be rightly used or wrongly used. Racism use this analogy to speak about genetics, biology, to spead hatred; feminism use this analogy to make changes in men and manhood, and spread respect. The difference is essential.

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      • Feathercrown@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Is your sex not also based on genetics and biology?

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  • musicjunkie@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Congrats on being the first male femcel I’ve seen on the internet

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    • zloubida@sh.itjust.works ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I’m a married man with daughters. I want a better world for them.

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      • Tattorack@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        If you want a better world, maybe start with yourself and end your discrimination.

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      • musicjunkie@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Yikes that’s sad. Another generation of men hating femcels shooting themselves in the foot because of inherited prejudice. There’s a big difference between calling out bad actors within your group (which I do with fellow guys regularly) and being misandrist. Seems like you got henpecked pretty hard

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  • GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    What percentage of a group needs to be considered trash in order for the whole group to be considered trash?

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• Nalivai@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  If you read that from this meme, you might need to go back to school to learn some literacy a bit more.

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  • quips@slrpnk.net ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    And we are talking about men from nearly 100 years ago. I think a lot of progress has been made.

    My point is thats besides the point. Generalizing the negative nature of a group of people is what the nazis did, what the imperial japanese did, what racists do, what rapists do, what homopbobes and transphobes do. You can call out misogyny without aligning your behavior with these horrible people, who’s behaving like this is exactly what brought about this kind of mistreatment in the first place

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