Comment on Air Canada Express flight AC8646 CRJ-900 at LaGuardia crash footage
scytale@piefed.zip 3 weeks ago
So it was either a lapse with the ATC or the driver of the firetruck didn’t have clearance to cross.
ATC gave clearance, and then immediately realized and told them to stop like 10 times.
That being said, any vehicle crossing the runway is required to verify physical clearance before crossing active runways for this exact reason.
A landing plane is bright as fuck, even after they’re on the ground. Those landing lights are like little suns because of what they need to illuminate for the aircraft at a distance.
That driver clearly didn’t even attempt to check the runway before heading out.
Yeah… ATC fucked up but the truck driver did NOT look both ways before crossing thr street.
I’ve driven around air side at an airport a couple of times, it’s not always immediately obvious if there’s a plane landing even during the day, especially If you aren’t particularly familiar with aircraft, even during the day.
This was at night, the driver was given the all clear, and there was an emergency they needed to get to quickly. So even if the driver looked to see if it were clear, being dark, all he would see is a bunch of lights in the sky. It would have needed more than a quick glance to see if the lights were of a landing plane or a plane that was just taking off, or even lights from a plane at all.
He trusted ATC that he had a clear path and was focused on another emergency.
CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
ATC gave the go ahead for the truck and then seconds later said stop. It’s on ATC.
jwiggler@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
apparently they were the only ATC on at that time.
TommySoda@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Even if you have clearance you should probably still double check. I wanna be clear and say I’m not blaming the driver, I’m just saying that you put a lot of trust into ATC but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t have your own checks. I’m just saying this as advice to anyone that works a dangerous job.
When I took classes on OSHA and MSHA the teacher would always go through incident reports and fatalities whenever certain things come up. 8/10 times those involved in fatalities were those with years or even decades of experience. When you get too comfortable with your routine you get complacent. We all do it. Even when our job isn’t high stress or dangerous. It’s a good idea to remind yourself every now and again to pay attention and not get too comfortable.
CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
You know I’d probably check left, right before crossing an intersection, but I’m not sure I’d check up.
The plane was doing about 40kph; I think that would suggest to me that it was already on the ground when the truck started crossing. Perhaps that’s why the ATC forgot about it.
AstralPath@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
There’s no way in hell the plane was doing 40kph. That looks closer to 100mph.
bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
Yeah, that sucks. This was the best audio i could find of ATC (sorry for IG link) and seems like they immediately realized the fuck up, but the truck kept going.
jqubed@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I don’t think it even registered at first for the truck that they were being told to stop because he’d just told the Frontier plane to stop