Comment on Lutris now being built with Claude AI, developer decides to hide it after backlash

nialv7@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  You make a fair point, but I feel like the trolling reaction they gave was asking for more backlash. Not responding was probably the best move.

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  • Zos_Kia@jlai.lu ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It’s typical of dev burnout, though. Communication starts becoming more impulsive and less constructive, especially in the face of conflicts of opinions.

    I’ve seen it play a few times already. A toxic community will take a dev who’s already struggling, troll them, screenshot their problematic responses, and use that in a campaign across relevant places such as github, reddit, lemmy… Maybe add a little light harassment on the side, as a treat. It’s a fun activity ! The dev spirals, posts increasingly unhinged responses and often quits as a result.

    The fact that the thread is titled “is lutris slop now” is a clear indication that the intention of the poster wasn’t to contribute anything constructive but to attack the dev and put them on their back foot.

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    • TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I see your point. I might also have responded poorly to that, on some level at least.

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      • Zos_Kia@jlai.lu ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Yeah same. I’d like to think i’d answer “I’ll use AI, if you don’t like it you can fork the project and i wish you good luck. Go share your opinion on AI in an appropriate place.”. But realistically there’s a high chance it catches me on a bad day and i get stupid.

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    • MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      … You’re right. I definitely wouldn’t be above such a response.

      The problem is, a lot of people here - myself included - were/are also being impulsive about their responses to this issue, at least partially due to all the shitty stuff caused by GenAI.

      There might be some toxic people too, I wouldn’t be surprised - but this can happen without them, too.

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      • Zos_Kia@jlai.lu ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        The thing is, toxic people thrive in mob situations and are often found leading or even manufacturing them. I tend to be wary around this kind of setups as they are easy to get caught up and hard to get out of.

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    • veniasilente@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The fact that the thread is titled “is lutris slop now” is a clear indication that the intention of the poster wasn’t to contribute anything constructive but to attack the dev and put them on their back foot.

      No, it was literally an important question to have answered. And booooy did the dev answer.

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      • Zos_Kia@jlai.lu ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Is it appropriate to ask a stranger a question by first calling their work “slop” ? Is that how you communicate with people ? How is that working out irl ?

        Y’all are so immersed in bully culture that this seems normal to you smh

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  • aksdb@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Trolling? They gave a pretty good answer explaining their reasoning.

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    • TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’ve removed the Claude co-authorship from the commits a few days ago. So good luck figuring out what’s generated and what is not.

      Seems pretty obvious to me that they knew this wouldn’t go over well. It was inflammatory by design.

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      • aksdb@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Yeah ok. True. I think the rest of the post has much more weight, though. But yeah, he should have swallowed that last sentence.

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• 4am@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  They want to put clanker code that they freely admit they don’t validate into a product that goes on the computers of people who’s experience with Linux is “I heard it’s faster for games”

  It’s irresponsible to hide it from review. It doesn’t matter if AI tools got better, AI tools still aren’t perfect and so you still have to do the legwork. Or at least let your community.

  Also, you should let your community make ethics decisions about whether to support you.

  Overall it was a rash reaction to being pressured rudely in a GitHub thread; but you know AI is a contentious topic and you went in anyway. It’s weak AF to then have a tantrum and spit in the community’s face about it.

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  • Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Nothing is being hidden from review. The code is open source. They removed the specific attribution that indicates which parts of the code were created using Claude. That changes absolutely nothing about the ability to review the code, because a code review should not distinguish between human written code and machine written code; all of it should be checked thoroughly. In fact, I would argue that specifically designating code as machine written is detrimental to code review, because there will be a subconscious bias among many reviewers to only focus on reviewing the machine code.

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    • p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      In fact, I would argue that specifically designating code as machine written is detrimental to code review, because there will be a subconscious bias among many reviewers to only focus on reviewing the machine code.

      Oh, it’s more than subconscious, as you can see in this thread.

      Lutris developer makes a perfectly sane and nuianced response to a reactionary “is lutris slop now” comment, and gets shit on for it, because everybody has to fight in black and white terms.

      What? Are you all going to shit on your lord and savior Linus himself for also saying he uses LLMs? Oh, what, you didn’t know?!?

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      • aksdb@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        The response is only nuanced until the last sentence. If he swallowed that it would be an almost perfect response.

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• UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  They are on liberapay if you want to support the project btw. Combined with Patreon, they sit at less than 700$ a week. That’s like half a dev before tax

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  • nialv7@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    ? Image

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    • UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yes, that’s Liberapay. You may have noticed that I mentioned Patreon.

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  • kilgore_trout@feddit.it ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You might as well donate to Anthropic.

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• S_H_K@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I agree with you with the current state of things in the world is hard to keep up and easy to complain. I’d say instead of asking the guy to not use AI ask him what he needs for help. He’s clearly stating that he’s in burnout.
  I don’t have the time or skills to help so I wouldn’t go complaining.

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• crypt0cler1c@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  They were at least. Now they’re making Claude’s code freely available.

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