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LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• xintrik@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Meth is more dangerous than caffeine

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• Sarmyth@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  LOL, definitely not, but I remember the 90s as well when every stoner wouldn’t shut up about weed bringing anti carcinogenic. Weed kills people beside the user. It’s still hugely safe, but bad decision-making under the influence of weed has probably killed more people than caffeine. You could argue the caffeine didn’t kill them. Their other health condition did. The same way we could argue weed didn’t kill anyone, but the drug trade did.

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  • EatYouWell@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The weed drug trade only exists because of the legal status of weed. Nixon is ultimately responsible for everyone killed because of it.

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    • PP_BOY_@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      This might be the most Lemmybrained reductionist take I’ve ever seen, and I’ve seen a lot

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      • EatYouWell@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Expand on your problems with it, then.

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    • Sarmyth@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      We can blame whoever we want, but deaths are deaths. We can even go further and say that the deaths to user ratio makes the disparity even greater.

      Hell, we could go completely nuts and say the stamp tax on tea and other goods leading up to the American Revolutionary War led to the creation of the United States, and therefore, all deaths resulting from the actions of the US could be blamed on caffeine.

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      • EatYouWell@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Yeah, that’s an intentionally obtuse abstraction of the issue.

        You know better.

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      • rug_burn@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Hate to break it to you, but 100% of people who drink water either have or will die.

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    • banneryear1868@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Cannabis has been associated in fatalities in countries where it’s completely legal.

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  • Lifebandit666@feddit.uk ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Depends if you factor in all the decisions that people have made using caffeine to keep them awake, that they wouldn’t have made if they had just gone back to bed.

    But you won’t be counting them because it fucks your arguement, despite using it for weed.

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    • vsh@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      If people were happy they wouldn’t have to use literal drugs

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      • Lifebandit666@feddit.uk ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Getting off your box on occasion is human nature.

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      • ieightpi@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        What if you like drugs because it heightens music?

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      • photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You’re conflating drug use with addiction.

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      • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        And? I don’t see how this is a gotcha. The baseline for humanity is to miserable. It takes effort to be happy. Which means that people are going to find ways to get it without effort. There isn’t some mystical force that makes sure that we are all capable of being happy and the process of being happy is always going to be in our best interests. Sometimes things are just going to suck and we can either feel how much it sucks or not.

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  • banneryear1868@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yeah pretty much, hard to compare them because they cause problems in different ways. Under 100 deaths per year for caffeine overdose, cannabis is associated with more fatalities but not in a causal way. Caffeine isn’t a workplace safety issue and doesn’t harm judgement, cannabis has very measurable negative effects on cognition. Cannabis is, by no virtue of itself, associated with violence that comes with the black market.

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    • gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Caffeine isn’t a workplace safety issue and doesn’t harm judgement

      Funny enough my old workplace had to start going in and taking the coffee maker around 11am because too many people were overdoing their coffee and ending up jittery and anxiety ridden in the short term (making mistakes) and then exhausted to the point of almost falling asleep near the end of work (more mistakes)

      Meanwhile my high ass was on a constant 7 speed the entire day (this was in an office so the worst I could do would have been to pay someone the wrong amount of money, which never happened)

      Though tbh neither is realistically that bad for you unless you’re going overboard, which is kinda the case for most things in life

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    • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I use cannabis about once a week. There is a guy at work that I won’t work near because he comes into work high and I don’t want to be injured when he screws up, again.

      Go ahead and get stoned, in your home, at night, when you can’t do anything stupid that hurts someone.

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