Comment on Incel propaganda in my music app

CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

• FlexibleToast@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  How in the world do they end up with 10 hours after editing it down?

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  • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I didn’t notice that, it is an awful lot. I wonder if it’s a series of interviews recorded over days, rather than one big meeting.

    It’s also possible there was one big video that was posted, and then a bunch of “best takedowns” compilations they actually push. Like how Charlie Kirk would do live debates (rarely with anyone who stood a chance, though).

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    • boonhet@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Like how Charlie Kirk would do live debates with inexperienced suckers.

      I have not watched too many of them, but I’ll never forget the guy who handed his ass to him on the subject of same sex relationships and the bible. Actually I think that’s the only one I’ve ever watched lmao. It’s funnier when those guys run into people who can actually debate.

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      • ameancow@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        I found a number of really good rising streamers and progressive advocates back in the day by watching Charlie Kirk debates and probably became a lot more involved with further left politics than I would have normally if it wasn’t for Charlie Kirk.

        Truly, we still carry the flame. 🔥

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    • FlexibleToast@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Being a series of interviews would make sense. That’s about an hour each. Still wild to release as an episode and not a playlist.

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      • ecvanalog@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Yeah, but the VOLUME is the selling point here, I think. I’ve never heard of this fucking dude and even if it was t transparently bad faith content his name wouldn’t make me (a universal “me” who is open to this) click.

        The “it’s ten on one and he still destroyed the females” piece is what’s supposed to lure you in.

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• ameancow@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  This is basically all of media now, there is no such thing as objective media of any kind anymore, everything produced is meant to pander to some group or another.

  Even if we accept the passing of the internet, we have to also understand that this is how it’s going to be always, forever. Unless social attitudes broadly change, this is just what the world is going to do with recordable content from now until eternity.

  Everything you see, no matter your political ideology or attitude or values, is cultivated and selected just for you to reinforce your beliefs even if that reinforcement is inaccurate.

  A few of you reading this are going to frown and downvote and roll your eyes, and to this I warn you: the more you think you’re outside of this system, or the more you think you’re invulnerable to manipulation… the more vulnerable you really are.

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  • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I can’t be the only person on here that’s fully off the algorithm/surveillance grid.

    I can get caught in bubbles the old-fashioned way, but that’s pretty much it.

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    • ameancow@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      No you’re right, the only way to win the game is to not play.

      As long as you’re staying aware of what you’re taking in, and you regularly think about how you’re thinking, you’ll be miles ahead of the broad swath of humanity.

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    • orbitz@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I basically only use Youtube to watch let’s plays (video games) never dipped my toe into other media site to see how it tries to show that stuff. Then if I need something new to watch I’ll find newer games I may be interested in and search accordingly or watch older videos of people that I enjoyed.

      I’m sure that keeps me in the bubble of entertainment vs political stuff but really I’ve rarely seen that stuff pop up. I’d probably stop all together if I only saw some of the crap I’ve heard of people’s experiences.

      New can be interesting but rather just prefer a good player explaining why they’re playing like they do. Some strategy games (paradox) can be quite complicated to understand the finer points. Makes life better not hearing/watching dumbasses.

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      • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Public service announcement that if you use a VPN, a private browser and Invidious they can’t really track you.

        I use Tor but it isn’t seamless, and you do have to go for a really low quality setting.

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  • Trainguyrom@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    there is no such thing as objective media of any kind anymore

    All media has bias. Always has. Literally even just in the choice of what to report on, what to investigate, how and what gets written about. Best thing anyone can do is realize this, and reject the billionaires narratives and write their own shit. Make zines and hand them out! Make political shitposts on the internet! Make radical stickers and graphiti. Reject the manufactured narrative and write your own and share it to normalize it!

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  • CtrlAltDelight@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    At first I frowned and rolled my eyes Then I read that and thought, Hmm yeah they’re probably right I’m in my own privately curated echo chamber. But, it can’t be all that bad if that private echo chamber is all about compassion and empathy, right? Sometimes living in a bubble can be a bit healthy right? I dunno, rambling.

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    • Duamerthrax@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Some of us are bombarded by right wing propaganda off the internet. When I come home, I don’t want to be bombarded by it online. You want to know what radicalized me? Being “conservative presenting” and getting to hear what republicans really think when there’s not a minority or “liberal” in the room. None of them have a single idea of their own and just revel in cruelty. That’s what they think offline and when they think they’re in “good company.” Online, they just engage in bad faith arguments and it gets tiring counting them constantly.

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    • ameancow@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      That’s a good point, what do we choose to feed ourselves? There’s massive industry built around people’s food diets and almost no attention paid to what our media diets are like and what they’re doing to us.

      I think at the end of the day we all need to really understand how maliable our brains are and how easily we can change the way we think just because of the stuff we’re watching or listening to, and this has been an unpopular topic for a long time because it makes people worry that what they enjoy might not be good for them, but I think as long as we stay aware and keep our diet varied enough we probably will do a lot better than people who just mindlessly draw emotions from people shouting on Twitch streams all week long.

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