Comment on Mewgenics becomes the most-played roguelite ever on Steam
kip@piefed.zip 2 weeks ago
most-played roguelike/roguelite
hit action roguelike The Binding of Isaac
[…] highly acclaimed roguelite and roguelike games, such as Hades, Vampire Survivors, and Balatro
i’ll accept that roguelite means fuck all except ‘has meta progression’ but none of the games mentioned in this article are roguelikes
Yeah I get that they created roguelite for games that are based on rng runs and has some sort of async progression and I think that has become a pretty practical genre to categorize a wide array of hands that share those traits.
But roguelike should be kept to games like nethack, pixel dungeon etc that share the basic concepts of rogue.
agree re roguelikes but roguelite seems far too broad to work as a genre? like if there was a ‘combos’ genre that included blazblue, bayonetta, and bejewelled
Combos are one specific element in a game, roguelite is the basic concept the game is built on. Also since when are genres very specific? Rocket League and Mario Tennis are both Sports games.
i think i agree with this which means i only dislike roguelite as a top level category. in your mario tennis example it might go something like
sports ¬ tennis ¬ arcade (as opposed to simulation)
a mario tennis where it would be practically impossible to win a randomly generated tournament without grinding out some progression would be
sports ¬ tennis ¬ roguelite
And yet I tend to like most games that fall into the “rouge lite” category. It feels too broad and yet also seems to work to classify games.
I think it may just be a bit like “RPG” or “Action” that are actually very wide categories that now have a lot of subcategories to help better explain them.
I like most games that fall into the category
same. but thinking about it a bit more, i still think it’s a bad name for a sub (sub sub) genre at best, not a top level one, your RPG and Action examples are quite right
Roguelike was the term generally used for all roguelites before they became so popular someone invented a separate word for it.
There is a functional difference, though. Roguelikes start you from Zero everytime. Roguelites give you meta progression that you can bring into your next run.
I know theres a difference. I didnt say roguelike is the correct term for roguelites, but it has been and is used synonymously by many if not most people. Just like people call every electronic music with a rhythmic bassline techno even if it is progressive funk house.
No more like millions of players didnt play Rogue and didnt see the necessity to create a new word for a (at the time) super niche genre
semantics is the lowest form of discussion
MrFinnbean@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Well its does not mean “fuck all”. It means the games are run based and randomised.
Also Rogue had zero meta progression.
kip@piefed.zip 2 weeks ago
of course it’s right that a core feature of roguelikes is that each new game starts from scratch. it’s roguelite that is vague