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Aequitas@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

• Dyskolos@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  It’s two people paying for premium at X. What do you expect 😐

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  • Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Synthesis: All man is created equal, except those who give money to the richest man in the world for a louder voice on a nazi forum.

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  • halvar@lemy.lol ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I thought that was Threads.

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• halvar@lemy.lol ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I would say starting an argument from a point of view which the other is guaranteed to agree with is a great tool to convince people.

  In this case it’s pretty obvious that people who say shit like “women only exist to bare children” will also look up to people with great achievements to their name. As such these to beliefs can be played against eachother.

  If it won’t convince the original bum saying the stupid, it will be a very spectacular way to disarm their logic in front of other people with similar but not so extreme opinions.

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  • Aequitas@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Sure, but it still reinforces the neoliberal view of humanity and ideology by affirming them. And what about all the millions of women who have not made any great scientific or other achievements and never will that did not have children by the age of 24? Have they failed in life?

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    • petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The root implication of manversusbaby’s reply is that child birth is not the only thing women can achieve. The purpose of using great examples like Marie Curie is to bury jaicilgin in the ground, not to impose greatness on everyone else.

      The “less great” achievements, such as living with endometriosis, being funny, knowing a lot about birds, being able to knit a sweater, while being a woman are not forgotten, they’re just not as punchy.

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    • Wren@lemmy.today ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I’m one of those women and: Yes. What’s he gonna do about it? I’m out here being a happy little failure, living rent free in the minds of alpha bros everyehere.

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    • bobo@lemmy.ml ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      In capitalism you must breed or make profit, nothing else is worthwhile.

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• mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  but there are people of different values.

  for example, people who think others are not worth much are themselves worthless.

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  • prenatal_confusion@feddit.org ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Karl popper just started spinning in his grave

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• dualistic@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  But all people aren’t of equal worth. There isn’t an official arbitrator but we get to decide for ourselves, and there isn’t a much better way to evaluate them than their actions.

  The “all men created equal” in the… US consitution or declaration or whatever is complete nonsense.

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  • 5too@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Declaring people to have a certain value relative to each other strikes me as uncomfortably close to treating people as things.

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    • dualistic@lemmy.world ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I don’t understand why only things can have different values. People have different impact on the environment, the world, etc. and what you value determines their worth on that scale. If everything is equally important to you, good or evil, then i guess everything and everyone can have the same value? I don’t really understand this paradigm.

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      • petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I want to point out a stronger contention in your favor: Republicans in the US are murdering their own citizens right now. I don’t think they are demonstrating much worth at the moment.

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  • Aequitas@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    That is a capitalist, neoliberal attitude at best. It is particularly popular in the USA, where children are taught to evaluate reality in quantitative terms. It is extremely important for US capitalism to promote this view of humanity, because it legitimizes the major social hierarchies in this society. It also legitimizes why children are allowed to go hungry, the poor are denied medical care, and other countries are exploited. After all, they are not worth it, otherwise they would not be in this situation. In the worst case, it is therefore the basis for right-wing ideology in the USA.

    But ultimately, it is a normative decision that everyone makes for themselves. I cannot convince you with arguments. If you believe that people are fundamentally worth different amounts, then probably no argument can convince you otherwise. I can only say that I am glad not to have anyone like you in my circle.

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    • dualistic@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I am not sure where anything i said means quantitative evaluation. I despise capitalism, but people’s actions do have impact and i am free to evaluate them on such. For example, my measurement could be the altruism and positive impact of their actions. You have jumped to some very negative conclusions and i am glad i don’t have you in my circle.

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