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• Soulg@ani.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  You’re completely missing the point. The idea can be fine on it’s face, but it will very quickly be used to otherize the undesirables.

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  • Windex007@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    That’s entirely true.

    But that’s still a double-edged sword we’re playing with.

    If you want to run towards a an “inevitable conclusion” in the one direction (resegregation… undesirable… are you even alluding to genocide?)

    I think it’s fair to do the same in the opposite direction too. Is there no lower bound for human interaction and behavior? Is it wrong to set boundaries for how people treat you?

    I like how hyper aware people are for things that could be turned into an avenue for bad things. I think that’s actually more than half the battle. Doesn’t always mean you toss the idea outright, you just know that you gotta watch out.

    I, for one, am in favor of a minimal demonstrated set of awareness and capacity to operate a motor vehicle. I also am in favor of not letting people drive drunk. Someone might say this will inevitably turn into a tool of racism. And guess what, THEY’D BE RIGHT! But, the solution probably isn’t to ban cars, or to let anyone drive with no rules of the road and drive drunk.

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    • chuckleslord@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Yeah, the solution is to orient society in such a way where the operation of a deadly, several ton method of conveyance isn’t a requirement to participate in the world. Public transit, biking, and people-oriented spaces. Fuck cars

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      • Windex007@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Fine. The person operating the subway train. Should they be drunk? Should they have needed to demonstrate competency in operating a subway?

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• chuckleslord@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Not what I’m fucking saying, but good try. Something being used to justify racism isn’t saying “this is on its face racism” its saying “racists will use the stringent, strict rules of this place to deny people of color access to this space”. All of these complaints are things that everyone does to some extent, you just get frustrated by them when you’re probably already frustrated.

  People of color take up more space in white people’s heads, so they get more policing of their behavior even if it isn’t justified. A group of white boys being loud in a grocery store get head shakes and “boys will be boys” comments. A group of black boys being loud in a grocery store get followed around by security and white women clutching their purses.

  Also fun how you sidestepped the ableism I brought up in that same sentence. Cause you know there’s no fucking argument there, huh?

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  • Dozzi92@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I thought both arguments were stupid and so I chose to not continue typing. I guess everything can be used to discriminate against someone, so fuck it, let’s do nothing! Yawn yawn yawn.

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    • chuckleslord@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Wow, false dichotomy much? I get it, you liked the idea and think me attacking it is like me attacking you. Once you grow up, you’ll realize that not everything is about you.

      Sorry, I meant if you grow up.

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      • Viceversa@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        You’re really aggressive, man

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      • Dozzi92@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Not sure why you felt I attacked you, but that’s fine. We’ve obviously got different opinions on the matter, and that’s okay. If it’s because I called the argument stupid, I didn’t mean for that to be a reflection of you, it’s just the exact kind of false dichotomy you’re accusing me of here, and it’s tired and overused here and on Reddit.

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