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StarvingMartist@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

I mean, it absolutely can become a problem if an entire population turns elderly and Theres no young people to take over businesses, care for the elderly, maintain critical infrastructure.

Say what you want about the capitalist ideals that hold this time important,if the birthrate hit 0% we would be facing societal collapse

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skisnow@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

if the birthrate hit 0% we would be facing societal collapse

Bit strawmanny that. Nobody considers 0% a reasonable target.

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- StarvingMartist@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Just an extreme example, but there are actual statistics out there I cant remember where a bunch of people much smarter than me figured out the “this is an emergency” percentage,
  
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  - saimen@feddit.org ⁨42⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago
    (in our current socioeconomic system)
    
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tomiant@piefed.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I mean… That societal collapse may be necessary at some point sooner rather than later- we need to downsize, we can chose to do it on our own terms or just run out the clock and smash into a brick wall. Maybe it’s not a bad thing.

I’m semi serious. This isn’t working out. I don’t think so, and many with me don’t think so. We can’t keep doing things just because the system demands it, we should be doing what we decide is good and necessary first and then work towards those goals, instead of just doing more of everything and hope that it will magically turn out for the best.

I am aware of the problem space here and the high cost and risk of dramatically changing course and our way of governing societies, but if we don’t, those problems will not be solved or diminish and we’ll have to deal with it anyway. Capitalism will not save us.

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surewhynotlem@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
So what? If people decide we don’t need any more people then we surely don’t need society.

I just hope we remember to shut the lights off when we leave.

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