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tomiant@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• StarvingMartist@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I mean, it absolutely can become a problem if an entire population turns elderly and Theres no young people to take over businesses, care for the elderly, maintain critical infrastructure.

  Say what you want about the capitalist ideals that hold this time important,if the birthrate hit 0% we would be facing societal collapse

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  • skisnow@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    if the birthrate hit 0% we would be facing societal collapse

    Bit strawmanny that. Nobody considers 0% a reasonable target.

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    • StarvingMartist@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Just an extreme example, but there are actual statistics out there I cant remember where a bunch of people much smarter than me figured out the “this is an emergency” percentage,

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      • saimen@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        (in our current socioeconomic system)

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  • tomiant@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I mean… That societal collapse may be necessary at some point sooner rather than later- we need to downsize, we can chose to do it on our own terms or just run out the clock and smash into a brick wall. Maybe it’s not a bad thing.

    I’m semi serious. This isn’t working out. I don’t think so, and many with me don’t think so. We can’t keep doing things just because the system demands it, we should be doing what we decide is good and necessary first and then work towards those goals, instead of just doing more of everything and hope that it will magically turn out for the best.

    I am aware of the problem space here and the high cost and risk of dramatically changing course and our way of governing societies, but if we don’t, those problems will not be solved or diminish and we’ll have to deal with it anyway. Capitalism will not save us.

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  • surewhynotlem@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    So what? If people decide we don’t need any more people then we surely don’t need society.

    I just hope we remember to shut the lights off when we leave.

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  • Honytawk@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    That is why we need automation.

    Just not the infinite growing one from capitalism

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  • baines@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    immegration

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• petersr@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Low birthrate means not enough to pay your retirement - it is not just a problem for companies - also for governments and taxes in the most socialist country.

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  • saimen@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    …due to our socioeconomic system.

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    • petersr@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Please explain how any society can work with an overweight of elderly? Watch Kurzgesagt’s video about South Korea. They are looking into a society where every other person is above 65.

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      • Tabula_stercore@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        An ethical dilemma game

        1. elders get to be alone, demented and taken care of by young people that earn little money to maintain themselves called nurses, and by a ponzi scheme for the rest of society. 1.5) in case the elder is mentally and physically fit, their needs are above a child’s
        2. we normalize end of life; reducing the number of elders vy their choice
        3. we normalize battery babies; grown and born outside of a human; orphanage++

        Reality of demographics don’t allow for another solution.

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    • DylanMc6@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Would socialism/communism solve that problem?

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