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JaymesRS@piefed.world 13 hours agoSome people say empathy, tolerance, & inclusion are strictly moral values. However this misses that they are also a social contract lest we end up in the paradox of tolerance.
Kirk had none for those outside his in-group. Those outside his in-group owe him none in return.
iii@mander.xyz 12 hours ago
You’re arguing for parochial empathy over real empathy.
JaymesRS@piefed.world 10 hours ago
Exactly the opposite. We should have empathy, tolerance, and inclusiveness for all, unless people choose to exclude themselves from that collective. I’m saying those who only have parochial empathy shouldn’t expect to receive empathy from others they’ve already cut themselves off from, and it’s not something those they shut out to be shamed for that they experienced the repercussions of their actions.
iii@mander.xyz 10 hours ago
You are describing parochial empathy, with the caveat that somehow you think it’s different when you do it.
ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 hours ago
No parochial empathy is when an in-group only has empathy for the in-group and none for any out-groups.
The resolution to the paradox of tolerance does not require individuals in a group to only experience empathy for other individuals in their group.
Instead members of groups that adhere to the social contract or peace treaty of tolerance all feel empathy for each other.
Only when an individual, individuals, or a group of people break the social contract or peace treaty are they no longer protected by it. Every individual in the groups still being tolerant still feel empathy for each other across group lines.
This is so the groups that practice tolerance can defend themselves from a group that has chosen to be intolerant. Such as the Nazis killing minority groups in WWII.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
He was a force for evil in this world.
Have empathy instead for the victims of the policies he advocated.
iii@mander.xyz 9 hours ago
It might be surprising, but it’s not a limited resource that needs to be spend sparcely. You do not need to make the world worse for those in an other tribe in order to make it better for your own tribe.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
It’s not surprising at all to see the people who spent an entire year advocating for genocide also having empathy for a dead nazi.