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• _cryptagion@anarchist.nexus ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  there are no online games that don't have a cheating problem. but there are many online games that don't have anywhere near as bad of a cheating problem than EFT.

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  • Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    There’s not a cheating problem in Rocket League. 🤷‍♂️

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    • threeonefour@piefed.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      There are several exposé videos on cheating in Rocket League. Here's one by Sunless Khan on "Jimmy" who was on trick shot team but he was actually editing the data of replay files to produce his clips.

      Another one by Wayton Pilkin on account boosting, DDoSing servers to cause legit players to have their connection dropped allowing the cheater to win by forfeit, and cheaters using invisible cars.

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      • Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        How is editing replay clips cheating in the actual game?

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    • _cryptagion@anarchist.nexus ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      A two second google search shows cheaters were showing up in ranked games less than a year ago.

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    • BremboTheFourth@piefed.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I'm too lazy to look it up right now but there have definitely been cheaters in Rocket League. The fact that it isn't a shooter is actually made it easy to cheat in; when there's no precedent for what cheating even looks like, how do you spot it? I remember a few years ago there was a whole scandal where it turned out someone who was famous for making trickshots had some kind of bot that was able to calculate exactly how to hit the ball midair and send it into the goal.

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    • seralth@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That just means you’re not good enough at rocket League to notice it

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      • Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I am literally GC.

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    • KoalaUnknown@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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      • Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        And the person I replied to stated that no multiplayer games of any kind are without cheaters.

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  • ampersandrew@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Is that not just a reflection of how popular it is and the incentives that players have to not lose and not just the desire to win? As opposed to a deathmatch or ranked game, you actually lose stuff when you lose in this game, right? Is there anything you could reasonably ask of this developer that isn’t just inevitable for this game design?

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    • Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Install a singleplayer mod that allows you to progress at your own pace and know that all of your faults were not because of cheaters (SPT), but I don’t think those changes could be rectified in the PvP game.

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• Flamekebab@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  What's even the point of cheating in multiplayer?

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  • ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    There’s a pretty massive item market for this game to use real money for in-game items, where the seller will meet you in a match and drop the gear. So there’s a big financial incentive for people from third world countries to hack so they can quickly acquire valuable items to sell on that market.

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    • Flamekebab@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I meant multiplayer games in general. People do it in games with no loot mechanics.

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  • ampersandrew@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Winning at any cost, I think.

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    • Flamekebab@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      But if one cheats then it's not a real win?

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      • Jeffool@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I agree with you, but there are people who enjoy moving over others’ sandcastles more than making their own. Some people enjoy ruining things for others. Others believe everyone else is cheating too, and their cheating is evening the playing field. The latter is a very common defense when asked directly.

        Several content creators lose to cheaters and manage to interview the blatant cheaters who admit to it. There are also relatively popular YouTubers whose entire channels are accusing pro players and streamers of cheating in COD and games. Lots of people assume good players are all cheating, and that it’s approved (if not facilitated) by the developers. (Which is a necessary belief for them, considering these players will also often perform very well on LAN tournaments against other pros.)

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      • ampersandrew@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Tell that to the cheaters. It doesn’t seem to stop them, so it must feel real to them.

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