What I’m saying isn’t controversial at all, paper towel alone isn’t enough for you to be clean. You need water to really get clean. That’s in part of why people shower every day because if you don’t you can start smelling very quickly
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tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 22 hours agoLook, I’ve used bidets and they’re fine, but an extreme minority of humans use them. Calling the hygiene of the vast majority of earth’s population “disturbing” for not using them makes bidet evangelicals sound like fucking crazy people.
MetalMachine@feddit.nl 21 hours ago
ricecake@sh.itjust.works 13 hours ago
You’re responding as though someone said “don’t clean yourself”. What they said was “it’s weird to call not using a bidet disturbing, given how uncommon they are”.
You’re drawing a line for where you think better hygiene is and putting everyone not on your side in the “disturbing” category, even though that’s anywhere from “about half the people” to “almost everyone” depending on region.What I’m saying isn’t controversial at all
That you felt the need to say that is a pretty clear sign that it is.
Bidet’s do provide some hygiene benefits, but they’re not the perfect system you’re making them out to be.
If you got feces on your hands, you wouldn’t clean them by just wiping them with paper. You also wouldn’t just run water on them for a short while and then carry on.
They can irritate the anal opening and let bacteria bother the irritation. They can cause disruption to vaginal flora. The nozzle is a source of fecal contamination between people.Yes, spraying your butt with water is usually cleaner. The actually significant cleansing comes from washing your hands with soap and water, bathing regularly, and not handling shared items with your buttocks.
MetalMachine@feddit.nl 11 hours ago
Listen man, if you want to have dirtier ass, all the power to you
ricecake@sh.itjust.works 3 hours ago
Oh, such a well thought out response to “you’re taking what someone said deliberately wrong in a very weird way”.
My ass is clean because I take a hot soapy shower evertime I poop and I change my underwear if I fart, unlike you, you degenerate unwashed heathen.
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 21 hours ago
Every time this discussion comes up I have to talk about the same thing: soap. It’s commonly understood that soap is the crucial part being clean (I assume you’re not advocating for showers without soap). Yet how many bidet users use soap? So you’re saying that water makes you clean, and yet I’d argue that whether it’s water or paper alone, you’re not clean until you’ve used soap. The only difference is how much your personal tolerance for being between periods of cleanliness without soap goes. For people advocating bidets, they’re clearly not comfortable without water. But other people are, and it’s not normal to say that almost everyone has poor hygiene because of it.
As long as you don’t smell (and you can’t tell me that walking into any random office conference room in a non-bidet country will most likely smell like literal shit), people can say water or paper and they’re both stopgaps until we can make it to the next shower involving soap.
beastlykings@sh.itjust.works 19 hours ago
Soap is a bonus, an extra tool that we haven’t what’s had. But water, by itself, gets you a significant fraction of the way towards being “completely” clean.
Water is a polar molecule, it naturally separates dirt and grime, and dissolves things like salt and sugar.
It’s considered a universal solvent, not because it can dissolve anything, but because it’s so dang good at cleaning so much stuff.
If I’m away from soap, all I have is water, and my hands are dirty, I feel pretty good about using just water. With just water, and some mechanical action, you can get pretty far. Soap would be better, but that’s not always an option every moment of every day.
Nobody is saying that if you use a bidet you no longer have to wash your butt in the shower. But if you use a bidet, the time in between showers will be cleaner than had you just used paper. It’s literally science.
Soap would be better, sure. But if I was somewhere far away from soap, and I got poop on any part of my body, I would be much happier using a garden hose to spray myself off, rather than just some paper towels.
Likewise, when I’m out and about, with no bidet, sure, yeah, give me the TP. It’s fine, I guess.
But at home? With access to a bidet? Why wouldn’t I use it over the TP?
Bidets are cheap, easy to use, and effective. Everyone should get over themselves and get one.
Or don’t, you do you, but you’re missing out 🤷♂️
I’m not personally saying that everyone else has poor hygiene. But many people have poor hygiene, more than you can imagine. And a bidet helps have better hygiene.
Honestly it’s probably a good litmus test. Not everyone without bidets have bad hygiene. But statistically, I bet most people with bidets have good hygiene.
WraithGear@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
listen, i get it, you have your asshole spritzed by the gods one time and you magicaly turn from your average poop smearer, to bidet fanatic.
beastlykings@sh.itjust.works 19 hours ago
Have you tried it? Have you felt Poseidon’s kiss? Magical.
WraithGear@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
for bidets, i’m more fanatical then an arch main
OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 21 hours ago
calling it an extreme minority is misleading, you talk as if it’s 1% of the world when it’s closer to 10-20%
Biyoo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 hours ago
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 1 hour ago
No way is that accurate, the only time I saw toilets without bidets in Japan were in public toilets in poorer areas, trains, places that hadn’t been renovated since the Showa era, and “someone bought an old building for pennies and illegally remodeled it”. I am happy to report Vietnam is quite high as well.
lessthanluigi@lemmy.sdf.org 3 hours ago
Italija #1 😎😎😎💪💪💪🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 8 hours ago
Why is Türkiye NOT highlighted? They are bidet enthusiasts
ricecake@sh.itjust.works 1 hour ago
Could be as simple as not having data. It looks like they pulled it from listings for hotels and the source they used simply might not operate their.
lessthanluigi@lemmy.sdf.org 10 hours ago
There are people that find it “disturbing” that people eat meat, or “disturbing” to drive cars everyday, even though most people in the world drive cars or eat meat.
And I agree with the bidet stan. But I blame big toilet paper and not individuals.
bollybing@lemmynsfw.com 8 hours ago
Most people in the world do not drive cars. There’s about 1.8 cars for every 10 people on earth.