Vegans don’t eat Honey? Huh.
Makes sense when you think about it, tho.
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v4ld1z@lemmy.zip 2 days ago
Used to hate Arizona quite a bit because it felt super bougie and expensive for what’s essentially just a regular ice tea. Developed a taste for it over the years and like it quite a bit nowadays because it’s partly sweetened with stevia which makes it taste very pleasantly. Quite unfortunate that most of the flavours sold here aren’t vegan because they insist on 0,1% of honey in the ingredients
Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 2 days ago
deltapi@lemmy.world 2 days ago
All that honeybee suffering…
teuniac_@lemmy.world 2 days ago
It’s a lack of human imagination to think that animals without eyebrows can’t suffer.
There are parts of (industrial) beekeeping that aren’t ethical. It’s up to people themselves to decide if they are comfortable with that.
For example outcompeting other native pollinators, culling entire hives by drowning or gassing is a thing, clipping the wings of the queen to prevent swarming, increased risk of disease due to lower nutritional value of sugar water
Johanno@feddit.org 2 days ago
In Europe without industrial honey bees we would not have apples, crops amd stuff because they are almost solely responsible for the pollination.
Paper_Phrog@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Fun stuff, but you forgot that we reduced wild pollinator population by around 70%? Mainly due to the monoculture agriculture, and pesticide usage? The thing they are now needed for?
icelimit@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
What’s an industrial honeybee? In my head I have bees buzzing around wearing tiny hi-vis vests and helmets.
fannymcslap@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Why the fuck are vegans not eating honey? It’s nectar?
Please don’t tell me it’s to do with exploitation of insects.
Paper_Phrog@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Why are you so aggressive in asking something? Do you expect people to help you like that?
fannymcslap@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Sorry you had to read a swear word, do you need a a lie down and a snack?
Paper_Phrog@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I actually am tired and hungry, so yes, I will. And I am not offended by swear words. It was the phrasing, and it seems I am not the only one.
I hope you find calmness in life.
Kornblumenratte@feddit.org 2 days ago
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It has to do with the exploitation of insects.
fannymcslap@lemmy.world 2 days ago
What about the exploitation of animals ecosystems for farming? Those murderous vegetables!
Kornblumenratte@feddit.org 12 hours ago
I’m glad you asked. Fruitarians have an answer to that moral dilemma.
v4ld1z@lemmy.zip 2 days ago
Honeybees destroy ecosystems because they’re more efficient at pollination than wild bees are, so there’s an ecological nuance to abstaining from honey. Apart from that, there’s the ethical component of taking away food that the bees produce for themselves that’s not ours for the taking.
Kornblumenratte@feddit.org 11 hours ago
Farming has an far greater impact on the ecosystem. There is no way to live for humans without completely reshaping their environment. We evolved as an invasive species.
If you’re moral argument to call for a boycott of honey is honey bee’s impact on the ecosystem rather than their enslavement and exploitation to humans, your only reasonable moral course of action is Fruitarianism using only fruits growing in the wild - basically an Orang Utan or Gorilla lifestyle. That choice has been made some 4-5 million years ago, when our ancesters became an invasive species in the savanna and began our first reshaping of ecosystems. Good luck reversing that choice.
v4ld1z@lemmy.zip 10 hours ago
No, it was not meant as a moral argument but the ecological impact of eating honey and supporting honey farming and beekeeping, as stated in my comment. The ethical argument is the same with any other animal that could be, but shouldn’t be from my point of view, exploited for our gain.
Plus there’s a difference between harvesting the literal nourishment of a species that requires it for their own suatainment and using them for crops and their pollination: one of them is easily avoidable and unnecessary, the other is a necessary evil but ultimately still required if I want to keep on living.
The most ecological and ethically sound conclusion then would be to just stop existing, but I don’t have a deathwish, so that’s the least harmful option out of the ones I have.
Capitalism is founded on exploitation of other people, our environment, animals, whatnot, so I don’t have any other option until capitalism is overturned and another form of governing rule is established, desirable but currently not possible, so all I can do is minimise the impact I have on the environment, on animals, on other people as much as possible.
CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Don’t worry, they’ll be just as hypocritical as any other virtue-signaling group. Bees make honey, honey bad. But they’ll act like pollenators aren’t needed for crops or something. Or ignore that beekeepers will take their hives out to farms to pollinate various crops, like avocado. Or that bees seem to, on some level, understand that they have a great deal going. They’re not trapped in the hives; they could leave at anytime but don’t. And their honey production is higher than that of wild bees. And they have a higher survival rate because the beekeeper ensures they’re safe from predators, or from the elements, and from disease. Every beekeeper I’ve ever seen absolutely love their bees.
But the fun part, is not all vegans think like this. Because it’s a “contentious” topic among them. For one, why does anyone care what anyone eats? Like, as long as it’s not cannibalism, I don’t give a shit. But vegans, from what I gather, will “rank” themselves to other vegans to see who’s more vegan than the other. It really reminds me of the “church ladies”. The type who judge you for not being churchy enough, who brag about how much church they go to, how much they “do for the church”, a “higher than thou” mentality. Some vegans are closer to vegetarians, with just additional restrictions. So just like any group, it’s not all… it’s just a really loud minority that tries to speak for everyone.
Squirrelanna@lemmynsfw.com 2 days ago
God forbid someone have empathy for living creatures.
bathing_in_bismuth@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
Stevia can die in a fire. Some people can limit their sugar intake to healthy levels. Make something either diet or not. I dislike the taste of all artificial sweeteners, and its in regular too now with most drinks. With artificial sweeteners (but maybe not stevia) wrecking your gut biome and other problems, they’ve just added something unhealthy to drinks. A drink that would normally be OK to drink once in a while.
v4ld1z@lemmy.zip 2 days ago
I’m not an expert on artificial sweeteners, but as far as I know, they’re to be consumed in moderate amounts just like sugars are. And from what I’ve heard, stevia is among the better sweeteners compared to something like aspartame or maybe even sucralose. The mixing of sugar and a sweetener is not ideal, I think that’s true.
I’ll gladly be proven otherwise - don’t know enough about them tbh