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pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
I agree with him, but he’s wrong imo on a few of things so far, I’ll keep editing.
- You do have faith in science, they’re called theories.
- Also, religious texts are updated in Judaism in the Talmud, it’s constantly being updated.
- Every time a new form of Christianity comes along, you’re getting a revised version of the text and basis behind it.
AcesFullOfKings@feddit.uk 2 months ago
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
No, I’m not saying it’s a guess. I’m saying all the evidence points to the Big Bang Theory as correct right now and we will have faith in that theory unless it changes or more information comes in.
ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 2 months ago
Working under the assumption that something is likely true is not the same as having faith that it is.
Fades@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Religious faith is equatable to blind unwavering belief and trust.
That is absolutely NOT equivalent to a scientific theory that resulted from the scientific method of analysis and discovery
jason@discuss.online 2 months ago
You’re getting a lot of pushback here, and I’m not sure if you truly don’t understand why or if you are trolling/being disingenuous on purpose. Webster’s definition of faith:
1 a : allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty "lost faith in the company's president" b(1) : fidelity to one's promises b(2) : sincerity of intentions "acted in good faith" 2 a(1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God a(2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion b(1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof "clinging to the faith that her missing son would one day return" b(2) : complete trust 3 : something that is believed especially with strong conviction especially : a system of religious beliefs "the Protestant faith"
None of these definitions of faith fit science. Scientific theory is not faith in the slightest. Scientific theories cannot exist without evidence and observation. Faith does not.
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
b(2) : sincerity of intentions
this one
ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 2 months ago
That refers to duty or people, a scientific theory is neither of those.
not_woody_shaw@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Just because you choose to be lazy and accept theory as it stands, doesn’t mean everyone else has to. Faith is something different to that.
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
I disagree, we all have faith that there are things in science we don’t understand and that also that certain things exist until proven wrong. You have to to do the process of science. I love this guy, but I think he hasn’t thought this through completely.
yesman@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I think the difference is that scientific theory exists even when nobody believes or is even aware of it, while religious faith is dependent on people believing it.
If humanity lost all knowledge, but didn’t go extinct, we’d eventually reconstruct chemistry, but the doctrine of the trinity would be lost forever.
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
On earth, the trinity would still exist because it’s based on nature. Most religions have it in their doctrine in some form.
CybranM@feddit.nu 2 months ago
Mind sharing an example of this? Do you mean dark matter/energy?
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Yes, like ether was kind of a place holder. It goes in and out of favor. I don’t know that much about dark matter but I grew up right next to fermilab. They were successful in their experiments, but that took a bunch of faith that it would work. Same the cern and the hadron collider. Astronomy is probably the biggest area that you have to have faith in, because there aren’t a lot of ways to test it. I suspect that religious people also test their religion in the same way, no matter what they say or do on the outside.
not_woody_shaw@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Ok, so i have faith that someone understands this thing so I don’t have to? Fair.
realitista@lemmus.org 2 months ago
You don’t have to. You can go read and reproduce the studies if you want.
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Sort of. We don’t know that there are other life forms in the universe, but there is a strong probability there is. We have faith that we’ll find out some day, but we don’t know right now. To some religious people, they have a faith that there is probably a god and they go with the odds. That was actually taught in religion at the school I went to. So, to me, I have faith that there is an unknown source to everything, but fuck if I know if we’re all the crumbs on an alien’s foot, if there is a pasta god out there or we all made up this world in our own heads so we are god. That is faith that the world started somehow, we just don’t know how. We have glimpses of the process, but we are still making interpretations of it.