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• JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  The ability to strip away the title of “human being” is exactly what they are arguing for. You just have different criteria.

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  • MotoAsh@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I hope one day you come to realize this is as stupid of a take as saying, “violence is bad!” towards someone bloodied ans bruised who just defended themselves from an attack.

    At a certain point, someone deserves to be punched in the face. At a certain point, someone deserves to be treated less than a cordial human being.

    Ironically, I still agree with, “we need to remember these are human beings”. Yes, yes we do. Because we need to ALWAYS remember the sheer depravity other human beings are capable of. That does NOT mean they deserve respect or even life.

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    • Bubbey@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      this is as stupid of a take as saying, “violence is bad!” towards someone bloodied and bruised who just defended themselves from an attack.

      Self defense is different than drunkenly flattening a pedestrian lmao

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      • MotoAsh@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        I’m speaking to the response to people celebrating the victim happening to be a terrible person, not to drubk driving… pLease pay better attention to what the person I’m responding to actually said.

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      • petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        What if that pedestrian was Donald Trump?

        Drunk driving, like, as a rule, is really, really bad. It’s incredibly very awful. … But I’m still gonna pop the shampaign.

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    • JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Jumping back here to say that

      we need to ALWAYS remember the sheer depravity other human beings are capable of.

      Is the only thing I’m saying

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      • MotoAsh@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Again, just because they are also humna beings does NOT mean they deserve respect or even life.

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    • JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      You’re arguing against things I did not say nor imply. I have made no argument here against self defense nor for civility.

      I am abiding the paradox of tolerance by not tolerating dehumanizing rhetoric. Because I believe that rhetoric enables fascism.

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      • MotoAsh@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        No, you’re just trying to shame people celebarating bad people no longer being bad people. Congratulations on utterly failing to understand what I said at all.

        You are failing to understand the ugly reality of the paradox of tolerance. It is a paradox NOT for where it starts, but for where it ends. If you cannot even celebrate demonstrably horrible ideologies taking losses, then again, you are FAILING the paradox of tolerance.

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  • blah3166@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    if a society extends tolerance to those who are intolerant, it risks enabling the eventual dominance of intolerance; thereby undermining the very principle of tolerance

    Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

    The world would be better off if everyone with racist views disappeared today. Let's not defend those who would not hesitate to oppress us.

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  • porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    What those criteria are matters

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    • Soulg@ani.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      And they’re all bad.

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      • MotoAsh@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Purely wrong.

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  • Neverclear@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    You are right. If we exclude any population from rehabilitation, we join said population.

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    • HasturInYellow@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Until they are rehabilitated though, I will treat them as maggots. Being human does not automatically grant you untouchability for your actions. It doesn’t absolve you of your sins. It does not mean anyone around you must tolerate your continued existence.

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      • Neverclear@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        No, I can’t blame anyone for visiting harm on Nazis. But that is a temporary solution. If we are to nullify supremacist ideologies, we must eacape survival of the fittest world views. Any ideology that requires violence will be surpassed by the next strongest, including the ideology that kills Nazis and white supremacists.

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• Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Why do you think considering someone human is mutually exclusive with wishing death upon them/thinking it’s fine for them to die.

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  • callouscomic@lemmy.zip ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Persecution fetish exists regardless how you treat them. Some just WANT to feel persecuted to feel like they have some kind of casus belli.

    Also, yoh either experience and/or witness enough bigotry that you reach a point of being fucking done with the hateful spiteful pieces of shit.

    Fuck. Them. All. Everyone who has even an ounce of racist white supremacist Aryan whatever the fuck thoughts or actions. Fuck their flags. Fuck their views. Fuck their lives. Fuck everything about them. Scum of the earth. The vast majority will never change. Fuck em.

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