Comment on At this point who in the world could stop Trump over doing something totally illegal? Like lets say using bunker buster bombs to destroy DEM cities? Or is USA communially FUCKED?

Weirdfish@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

• hydroptic@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Just like the Marines refues to be deployed to California

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  • Weirdfish@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Remind me again how many Marines opened fire on civilians.

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    • hydroptic@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      So it’s fine as long as they’re not literally murdering people?

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      • Weirdfish@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        No Marine obeyed an illegal order, and that’s the whole point of this thread.

        They were used in a very narrow scope as defined by law, protecting specific government buildings.

        It was Trump being a bully and grandstanding, but other than the optics we’re talking about, it was really a lame event.

        The vast majority of the 2k Marines did what Marines always do when they don’t have specific orders on a shit deployment, the sat around or caught up on rack time.

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    • apftwb@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Marines opening fire? I think only during the Rodney King riots.

      Any military branches opening fire? The Kent State Shooting and The Bonus Army Incident.

      Any military branches just bombing the shit out of civilians on US soil? The Battle of Blair Mountain and The Philadelphia MOVE Bombing

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      • Weirdfish@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Oh I know it has happened, and those type incidents are why the UCMJ now explicitly has the don’t do illegal shit clause.

        I was talking here to the 2k or so that deployed recently in LA.

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    • shalafi@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Right?! They were out in less than 6-weeks.

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  • shalafi@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    And they basically did nothing but stand around. I think they arrested one guy? And that one guy was most likely being an asshole and pushed his luck past the brink. Also, there was only 700 of them. You couldn’t control my little hick town with 700 soldiers. LOL, they’d be hilariously outgunned by the rednecks and retired military. In any case, now they’re gone.

    Yes, it was an egregiously corrupt use of the military, but that’s not even close to using weapons of war on an American city.

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    • s38b35M5@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I think they arrested one guy? And that one guy was most likely being an asshole and pushed his luck past the brink.

      Think again, señor rationalizer.

      LOS ANGELES (AP) — Shortly after they began guarding a Los Angeles federal building Friday, U.S. Marines detained a man who had walked onto the property and did not immediately hear their commands to stop.

      The brief detention marked the first time federal troops have detained a civilian since they were deployed to the nation’s second-largest city by President Donald Trump in response to protests over the admin[…]

      The man, Marcos Leao, was later released without charges and said the Marines were just doing their jobs.

      Such an asshole…

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    • P00ptart@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      2700, I believe.

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      • shalafi@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Every source I see states 700.

        www.google.com/search?q=how+many+marines+were+dep…

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• jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  you mean all the ones hes fired? lol. people are fucking clueless.

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  • Weirdfish@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    The chain of command goes from the secretary of defense all the way down to the most junior enlisted personnel.

    You seem to assume I meant the joint chiefs or some small hand full of senior commanders.

    Generals don’t pull the trigger, and as someone else pointed out, the logistics involved with bombing a city includes hundreds of service members.

    Not sure where you get off calling me clueless as my initial response exactly answers the original question.

    If not for honorable service members respecting their oaths and the UCMJ, there is literally nothing stopping Trump from bombing Chicago or LA.

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    • jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      as i said people are clueless. pay attention to how people are actually behaving. most frontline individuals are either dutifully following orders or quitting. the idea that the military will refuse trump is absolutely not couched in reality.

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      • Weirdfish@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        If your point is that this mechanism won’t work, then I’m assuming your point is that nothing can stop Trump.

        Doesn’t mean my answer was wrong or clueless, only that the means to stop him has failed.

        If you think something else is stopping him, I’d be very curious what that might be.

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    • Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      So you're saying there's literally nothing.

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  • BombOmOm@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    You need hundreds of people all working together to drop a bomb on a US city. Commanders, officers, maintenance workers, ordinance loaders, pilots, navigators, even base MPs.

    You really think you can get all of these people to agree to drop a bomb on a civilian US city?

    Come now.

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    • Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      The smaller the pieces you divide a job into, the less likely that any of the individual steps understand the entire process.

      You tell one guy to bomb NYC, he’s going to stop and think about that.

      You tell a hundred people to push a few buttons, and they’re just doing their job.

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    • MyFriendGodzilla@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Relying on trained people to not do the thing they’re trained for strikes me as a bad plan.

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    • jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Literally exactly what will happen. you’re assuming the people who would object would remain in these organizations. they wont.

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      • shalafi@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Many of these people are trying to do their 20 and get out with retirement. They’re not going to quit like it’s a shit job at McDonald’s.

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• JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  You mean like all of the air force brass, logistics commanders, pilots, all the way down to the MPs, who have been consistent in following illegal orders to fly black bagged and chained legal US residents that were refused due process to foreign concentration camps?

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• Pistcow@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Yes, but no.

  m.youtube.com/watch?v=TwPLqGkYnBA&pp=0gcJCfwAo7Vq…

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