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• idiomaddict@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  And 2100 kcal per day is not safe or sustainable for almost anyone that exercises regularly.

  I’m a woman with a relatively large frame (~65kg/180cm) who used to do 14 hours of hard cardio a week. At that time, my recommendation was 2250, the first time in my life it had exceeded 2k. For smaller women, the recommendation is sometimes much lower. My stepsister is about 45kg and 155cm tall and her calculated daily calorie burn is like 1300. My ex boyfriend’s mom was told not to go over 1.2k, which I thought was the lower limit for humans generally- things are different when you’re a short, post-menopausal woman.

  All that is to say, it’s probably an average of 2100 calories, spread between people who need on average 1400-1800 calories and those who need 2000-2400

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  • BassTurd@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    That’s fair. My take was shallow and I was thinking more from personal experience. I’m ~200lbs and burn over 100 kcal every mile I run, and am a distance athlete. If I jog 6 miles or bike 20+, I have to replace that for proper recovery.

    I shouldn’t say most people, but a large amount of people need more than 2100 kcal if they are active.

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    • idiomaddict@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s honestly wild the difference in caloric requirements based on age and sex/gender (I don’t know how much is due to size/hormones, so I don’t know where trans people’s requirements would be) even before factoring in activity level, so it’s entirely reasonable not to realize the difference.

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      • Taalnazi@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        For trans people it depends.

        If you’re just starting estrogen-oriented HRT and you’re at a weight considered ideal for your pre-HRT body, then it is helpful to actually gain a few kg of fat, together with weekly bursts of activity. Then fat redistribution will be more effectively towards a )( body shape, with breast growth improved.

        For testosterone-oriented HRT, I assume the same applies, though with the accent more on weight loss and exercise.

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  • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I can attest that i definitely eat less than 2000 kcal per day on average. But:

    I read a study (done by the CIA, ironically) a while ago that said sth like the average caloric intake for americans is like 4400 kcal/day, while for USSR people it is 4200 kcal/day, and concluded that people in the USSR eat healthier.

    The study was done in the time of the USSR.

    I’m gonna look for it now.

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    • Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Coming to that conclusion based purely on amount of calories is incredibly stupid

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      • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        actually if you read the paper it goes into more detail than just calories

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• astutemural@midwest.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  ITT: people who didn’t even glance at the study.

  Quoting from the study:

  “It is important to understand that the DLS represents a minimum floor for decent living. It does not represent a an aspirational standard and certainly does not represent a ceiling. However, it is also a level of welfare not currently achieved by the vast majority of people. A new paper by Hoffman et al finds that 96.5 percent of people in low- and middle-income countries are deprived of at least one DLS dimension…we can conclude that 6.4 billion people, more than 80% of the world’s population, are deprived of DLS.”

  The authors are not suggesting that everyone be forced on DLS at gunpoint. They are suggesting an absolute bare minimum standard that the overwhelming majority of people on Earth do not yet even have. Quite obviously any excess production could and would be used to increase standard of living.

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