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I’d argue that’s a downgrade for most people. I personally exceed all of those bullet points and the idea of coming close to most of them sounds like Hell to me. If it meant 8.5 billion people met those standards, I could make the sacrifice, but it would be awful.

Can you imagine if everyone you met was wearing a 3 days dirty shirt? Do other not sweat? And 2100 kcal per day is not safe or sustainable for almost anyone that exercises regularly.

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idiomaddict@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

And 2100 kcal per day is not safe or sustainable for almost anyone that exercises regularly.

I’m a woman with a relatively large frame (~65kg/180cm) who used to do 14 hours of hard cardio a week. At that time, my recommendation was 2250, the first time in my life it had exceeded 2k. For smaller women, the recommendation is sometimes much lower. My stepsister is about 45kg and 155cm tall and her calculated daily calorie burn is like 1300. My ex boyfriend’s mom was told not to go over 1.2k, which I thought was the lower limit for humans generally- things are different when you’re a short, post-menopausal woman.

All that is to say, it’s probably an average of 2100 calories, spread between people who need on average 1400-1800 calories and those who need 2000-2400

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- BassTurd@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  That’s fair. My take was shallow and I was thinking more from personal experience. I’m ~200lbs and burn over 100 kcal every mile I run, and am a distance athlete. If I jog 6 miles or bike 20+, I have to replace that for proper recovery.
  
  I shouldn’t say most people, but a large amount of people need more than 2100 kcal if they are active.
  
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  - idiomaddict@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    It’s honestly wild the difference in caloric requirements based on age and sex/gender (I don’t know how much is due to size/hormones, so I don’t know where trans people’s requirements would be) even before factoring in activity level, so it’s entirely reasonable not to realize the difference.
    
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    Taalnazi@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    For trans people it depends.
    
    If you’re just starting estrogen-oriented HRT and you’re at a weight considered ideal for your pre-HRT body, then it is helpful to actually gain a few kg of fat, together with weekly bursts of activity. Then fat redistribution will be more effectively towards a )( body shape, with breast growth improved.
    
    For testosterone-oriented HRT, I assume the same applies, though with the accent more on weight loss and exercise.
    
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- gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  I can attest that i definitely eat less than 2000 kcal per day on average. But:
  
  I read a study (done by the CIA, ironically) a while ago that said sth like the average caloric intake for americans is like 4400 kcal/day, while for USSR people it is 4200 kcal/day, and concluded that people in the USSR eat healthier.
  
  The study was done in the time of the USSR.
  
  I’m gonna look for it now.
  
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  - Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Coming to that conclusion based purely on amount of calories is incredibly stupid
    
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