Comment on Itch.io is delisting NSFW games due to pressure from payment processors

• Kyrgizion@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  My line is these payment processors being judge, jury and executioner about what material they deem valid. So I am fundamentally opposed.

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  • it_depends_man@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I agree, but they aren’t.

    I am specifically saying this, because my democratic country has laws that would also cover these things the letter mentions and would also deem them wrong. They are just dumb, “not from the internet” and overworked with other stuff.

    Please check what laws your country has around the topic of glorification of crime and violence.

    We also don’t know what the payment processors told itch and steam.

    Itch and steam are doing what they are doing as a blanket move, to create a situation where they can stay in business for now and deal with the problem at all.

    My bet would be that they “allowed nsfw stuff”, turned a blind eye, and now suddenly noticed they actually have a really big legal problem, with actual laws and the fact that it was an NGO and not an official legal institution that started this, was dumb luck and now they mostly need time and cover their own arse.

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    • Katana314@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      If GTA V is allowed, I’m pretty certain most of what we’ve seen from NSFW games is as well. Regardless, a payment company should not be acting as judge for such things, just as media companies should not act as judge on copyright infringement on YouTube.

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• hornyAltAccount@lemmynsfw.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I feel like there is nuance that is really getting lost on some people and that is the way that people engage with these games. Let me try to explain: I like playing NSFW games - even with tags like Rape, Corruption or the occasional Incest. Without trying to go into too much detail, it’s simply erotic to me in the correct context. Now, do I know that these topics are incredibly taboo and/or offensive in real life? Yes, of course. I keep these things private and never put them out in real life. I would rather noone knows about what I do privately in my own time at my own PC. The way I see it, I simply paid an artist to draw something erotic and write a good story and/or program some gameplay attached to it. And once I stop engaging with the videogame, I also do not have any desire to recreate anything in real life. The same way that I don’t go around killing people after playing GTA, I also don’t go around assaulting women because I played a videogame where these things happen.

  And that’s exactly what worries me - the people pushing this narrative, genuinely think I would want to start reenacting something I’ve seen in a videogame happen. That is complete nonsense.

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  • Njos2SQEZtPVRhH@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    The idea that what you see online has an effect on what you do offline, is not that far fetched is it? I mean, I don't know if it's true and I guess you could argue it could work in both directions too. Do people blow off steam online so they don't have to enact their darkest fantasties IRL. Or does the online material encourage or normalize these things? It could also be so that this works different for different people. It let's one person blow of steam, while it pushes someone else over the edge to do something horrendous. And if that is the case, is it fair to take it away from those who are not negatively influenced by it, to prevent those in whom it inspires bad actions from seeing it. I guess we'd need research on the matter, I don't know if it exist or how reliable it is.

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    • wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Jesus Christ we can’t be back to this old chestnut.

      We cannot, and do not, standardize society’s guard rails around the most extreme edge cases.

      Leave it back with Jack Thompson in the late 90s-early 00s where it belongs. The horse has already been jellied by repeated blunt force trauma more than a decade ago. You’re just punching a horse shaped divot into the dirt at this point.

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      • Njos2SQEZtPVRhH@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        The question is if it's edge cases. People suffer sexual trauma in very large numbers and working in psychiatry has taught me how incredibly harmful it can be. If this kind of material could help prevent this, we should definitely allow it. If research shows that it makes problems far worse, we should consider limiting access to it. I am not saying either is the case, I am saying I don't understand what is wrong with the question itself.

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    • Katana314@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Okay, Jack Thompson

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  • it_depends_man@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    The same way that I don’t go around killing people after playing GTA, I also don’t go around assaulting women because I played a videogame where these things happen.

    Right. That’s fair and I’ll believe it.

    Do you generally think there is any limit at all, in any type of media that crosses lines and shouldn’t exist? Think “liveleak” stuff from when that was around.

    Or do you consider this game topic just not crossing that line?

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• hisao@ani.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  My line is: any kind of fictional content is ok. If nobodies hurt, then there is no crime. And in practice being maniac in games doesn’t translate to being maniac irl. There might be some exceptions of crazy people being inspired by games to do crimes, but they should be dealt with on case-by-case basis using just regular law and law enforcement.

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• BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Moral judgement or suppression of fiction/artistic expression is deeply and profoundly unethical. How you or I or anyone else feels about something that isn’t “real” is inconsequential. If you allow any line to be crossed in this, then every line can and will be crossed.

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  • it_depends_man@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I’m pretty sure I can find fictional things immoral? Why would it be unethical to have an opinion on fictional things?

    Factually, all the lines that you allow to be crossed are crossed and all lines that are collectively defended are usually not crossed. That’s culture. It’s arbitrary and not absolute.

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