it’s hard for people so used to the comforts of capitalism to realise this is actually luxury
being inside, seated comfortably, doing non-manual work, educated, can read, listening to music, this is a job better than 99% of people who have ever lived have had
there’s plenty of slaves in the middle east right now building shitty stadiums for oil rich kings and queens who would love this WaSTeD LiFe 🤪
Oh I’m actually quite happy with my own job in the public sector. It’s varied and at times challenging work that benefits society as a whole. The pay isn’t all that much, but we’re talking about fulfillment here not salaries. Unfortunately for my peace of mind, I posess empathy and the knowledge that most aren’t as lucky. Companies either grow or die, so massive faceless corporations provide a large and growing share of all employment. And it doesn’t even need to be a big corp for the job to be a bs job.
How is that a strawman? Sure life could be worse as you said, but life could also be a lot better. The meme takes no shots at the former claim, instead making fun of people who fail to imagine the latter. Talking about how we already live in relative luxury is also a very common deflection from arguments for why we should improve society, without actually countering said arguments.
it’s hard for people so used to the comforts of capitalism to realise this is actually luxury
being inside, seated comfortably, doing non-manual work, educated, can read, listening to music, this is a job better than 99% of people who have ever lived have had
Hell, if you’re in this situation you have immediate and convenient access to potable water in your living space. This is a level of privilege beyond almost every other human that has lived in all of history.
Ya, totally. You make an obvious point.
The only problem with that is that almost all of the humans that have ever existed … exist right now. Until we mastered this planet, there were very very few of us. We are now the most numerous mammal on the planet, and that’s by a far degree. There’s more of us than there are rats.
Yeah but most humans didn’t have to live around cars. I’d give up running water to get rid of cars. Cars are worse than running water is good. Sign me up for carrying barrels from the river if I don’t need to worry about being run over.
How much experience do you have with third world conditions? I would tend to assume from what you are saying that you’ve never seen what a lack of sanitation does to a society.
But you might be well familiar with all of this … and just like it?
It’s not just the convenience of running water, it’s all of the infrastructure around making sure that water is clean and safe, which involves government regulation and audits, massive engineering projects, a lot of maintenance effort and a considerable amount of tax dollars.
Just as an example, leptospirosis is a common bacterial contaminant in untreated water:
Signs and symptoms can range from none to mild (headaches, muscle pains, and fevers) to severe (bleeding in the lungs or meningitis). Weil’s disease (/ˈvaɪlz/ VILES), the acute, severe form of leptospirosis, causes the infected individual to become jaundiced (skin and eyes become yellow), develop kidney failure, and bleed. Bleeding from the lungs associated with leptospirosis is known as severe pulmonary haemorrhage syndrome.
If you go to places like Hawaii you’ll see warning signs about lepto around pools and streams because people have this delusional fantasy about tropical paradises with clean flowing streams. Untreated, uncontrolled water is a hazard.
Everyone can’t be an expert on water sanitation. Employing some experts to provide that service for thousands or millions of people is a fantastic solution. It’s probably impossible to overstate how much benefit water infrastructure provides for society.
So I disagree with you. “Running water” (centrally managed water sanitation and delivery) is one of the best things human society has ever done. The benefit to public health is incalculable.
The only reason you might discount how much benefit you gain from this system is that you’ve grown up with it as normal. You’ve never had to worry about groundwater contamination, about boiling every cup of water before you drink it, about filtration or desalinization or testing for lead.
Friend, I take it you’re joking … but I’ve done warehouse, construction, assembly line, and other hard labor. The only other country I’ve been to is Mexico, which is a nice place to leave. Believe me, it is entirely possible for a privileged American to know how well they have it.
Problems like infant mortality, disease, manual labour, the human species evolved to deal with those. That’s why exercise releases endorphins. Your body is rewarding you for doing what you need to survive. It has strategies to soften those blows and keep you going. Because you have to.
There are no biological coping mechanisms for cars, city noise, pollution, and financial anxiety. These problems didn’t exist in the ancestral environment. Evolution hasn’t had time to protect us from them. They might not hit as hard in the moment, but we can’t heal from the losses they cause us. That’s why chronic stress, suicide, depression and anxiety are so common nowadays. This is worse. Maybe not in objective germs, but it’s worse for a human being. It hits us in our weak points.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 3 weeks ago
lmao
it’s hard for people so used to the comforts of capitalism to realise this is actually luxury
being inside, seated comfortably, doing non-manual work, educated, can read, listening to music, this is a job better than 99% of people who have ever lived have had
there’s plenty of slaves in the middle east right now building shitty stadiums for oil rich kings and queens who would love this WaSTeD LiFe 🤪
Deme@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
I am not a slave, therefore I should be happy to waste my life in an office generating shareholder value. Got it.
Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 3 weeks ago
Go and work for a company that gives more about other stakeholders, you see that often with smaller companies.
Deme@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
Oh I’m actually quite happy with my own job in the public sector. It’s varied and at times challenging work that benefits society as a whole. The pay isn’t all that much, but we’re talking about fulfillment here not salaries. Unfortunately for my peace of mind, I posess empathy and the knowledge that most aren’t as lucky. Companies either grow or die, so massive faceless corporations provide a large and growing share of all employment. And it doesn’t even need to be a big corp for the job to be a bs job.
Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Save some straw for the animals, geez
Deme@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
How is that a strawman? Sure life could be worse as you said, but life could also be a lot better. The meme takes no shots at the former claim, instead making fun of people who fail to imagine the latter. Talking about how we already live in relative luxury is also a very common deflection from arguments for why we should improve society, without actually countering said arguments.
NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 3 weeks ago
Hell, if you’re in this situation you have immediate and convenient access to potable water in your living space. This is a level of privilege beyond almost every other human that has lived in all of history.
dbtng@eviltoast.org 3 weeks ago
Ya, totally. You make an obvious point.
The only problem with that is that almost all of the humans that have ever existed … exist right now. Until we mastered this planet, there were very very few of us. We are now the most numerous mammal on the planet, and that’s by a far degree. There’s more of us than there are rats.
deranger@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
This is wildly untrue.
Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 3 weeks ago
Man I already hate it when I can’t drink water out of the tap when I am travelling abroad.
Genius@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Yeah but most humans didn’t have to live around cars. I’d give up running water to get rid of cars. Cars are worse than running water is good. Sign me up for carrying barrels from the river if I don’t need to worry about being run over.
dbtng@eviltoast.org 3 weeks ago
How much experience do you have with third world conditions? I would tend to assume from what you are saying that you’ve never seen what a lack of sanitation does to a society.
But you might be well familiar with all of this … and just like it?
NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 3 weeks ago
It’s not just the convenience of running water, it’s all of the infrastructure around making sure that water is clean and safe, which involves government regulation and audits, massive engineering projects, a lot of maintenance effort and a considerable amount of tax dollars.
Just as an example, leptospirosis is a common bacterial contaminant in untreated water:
If you go to places like Hawaii you’ll see warning signs about lepto around pools and streams because people have this delusional fantasy about tropical paradises with clean flowing streams. Untreated, uncontrolled water is a hazard.
Everyone can’t be an expert on water sanitation. Employing some experts to provide that service for thousands or millions of people is a fantastic solution. It’s probably impossible to overstate how much benefit water infrastructure provides for society.
So I disagree with you. “Running water” (centrally managed water sanitation and delivery) is one of the best things human society has ever done. The benefit to public health is incalculable.
The only reason you might discount how much benefit you gain from this system is that you’ve grown up with it as normal. You’ve never had to worry about groundwater contamination, about boiling every cup of water before you drink it, about filtration or desalinization or testing for lead.
dbtng@eviltoast.org 3 weeks ago
Friend, I take it you’re joking … but I’ve done warehouse, construction, assembly line, and other hard labor. The only other country I’ve been to is Mexico, which is a nice place to leave. Believe me, it is entirely possible for a privileged American to know how well they have it.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 3 weeks ago
I wish some people around here had half the experience you do
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
it’s good that you think this way, after all, happier slaves are more productive.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 3 weeks ago
please stop using the word slave like this, i live an incredible life, you are diluting the word
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
sorry
Genius@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
That’s still capitalism, genius
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 3 weeks ago
adjusted for people who cannot see the difference between wage labour and literal slavery
Genius@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Problems like infant mortality, disease, manual labour, the human species evolved to deal with those. That’s why exercise releases endorphins. Your body is rewarding you for doing what you need to survive. It has strategies to soften those blows and keep you going. Because you have to.
There are no biological coping mechanisms for cars, city noise, pollution, and financial anxiety. These problems didn’t exist in the ancestral environment. Evolution hasn’t had time to protect us from them. They might not hit as hard in the moment, but we can’t heal from the losses they cause us. That’s why chronic stress, suicide, depression and anxiety are so common nowadays. This is worse. Maybe not in objective germs, but it’s worse for a human being. It hits us in our weak points.