Widening roads is never a good answer in game or real life, it induces new demand and will eventually become more contested. Need to build a train line instead
pete_the_cat@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I haven’t played Cities: Skylines in years, this looks great but hopefully they fixed the stupid traffic AI. I hated that when you built a wider road to decrease congestion half of the cars would ignore the opened lanes and still pile up in the original ones.
Goodtoknow@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
snooggums@kbin.social 8 months ago
Sounds realistic though.
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 8 months ago
do you actually think just adding lanes will infinitely increase the capacity of roads?
stankmut@lemmy.world 8 months ago
It does increase the capacity of roads. Two lanes holds twice as many cars as one lane. Four lanes hold twice as many cars as two lanes.
You’re probably thinking of induced demand, but that’s related to traffic congestion and not capacity. More lanes ultimately means more cars are getting places, but any individual car will see that congestion is just as bad as it used to be.
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 8 months ago
yeah see what’s happening here is that you’re completely ignoring junctions: even in the ideal case of a completely straight road you still need junctions to get on and off the road, which will put a hard limit on throughput.
This is why traffic in america is miserable, the traffic engineers fail to recognize that you can’t just put businesses right next to roads as that will cause stupendous amounts of choking every time someone wants to pop in for some mcdonalds.
3 lanes in each direction is about the most you’ll ever need, which is what you’ll tend to see on big highways in europe. And really most of the time you’ll do just fine with 2 lanes.
SwampYankee@mander.xyz 8 months ago
This is why traffic in america is miserable, the traffic engineers fail to recognize that you can’t just put businesses right next to roads as that will cause stupendous amounts of choking every time someone wants to pop in for some mcdonalds.
Yeah, fuckin’ Americans, putting their McDonald’s right next to roads… I mean, just look at this. What a disgrace.
stankmut@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I actually had a whole paragraph about junctions being a limit and then deleted it since i didn’t feel like it added to my point. I also was going to add a point about how much space the lanes take up and that even if more lanes added capacity, it didn’t necessarily mean they were the right option.
pete_the_cat@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Yeah… That’s how these things work ya know. A 4 lane road has higher capacity than a 2 lane road assuming there arent any choke points.
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 8 months ago
yeah uh, i think you’ll find that you need junctions, which create chokepoints?
even with highways you get chokepoints at the ramps, and they are extremely absurdly costly.
sigh@lemmy.world 8 months ago
just 1 more lane bro
Psythik@lemm.ee 8 months ago
This article on their website goes into detail on exactly how they’re planning on fixing the traffic issues. The AI will actually change lanes this time!
iAmTheTot@kbin.social 8 months ago
That is one of the areas of the game they specifically worked on to improve. There's dev diaries about how they improved it.
pete_the_cat@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Nice, I remember that being a huge issue in the original with many people complaining about it
Psythik@lemm.ee 8 months ago
You could fix it somewhat with mods, by forcing cars to take specific lanes. Didn’t solve the problem, but it helped. Can’t wait to try the new traffic AI in the sequel.