Comment on The résumé is dying, and AI is holding the smoking gun

• theangriestbird@beehaw.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  From the article:

  Instead, the future of hiring may require abandoning the résumé altogether in favor of methods that AI can’t easily replicate—live problem-solving sessions, portfolio reviews, or trial work periods, just to name a few ideas.

  Are those the best solutions? I don’t exactly know, the problem is bigger than any one person can solve. But any of those would probably be better solutions than what we’ve been doing the past 20 years.

  In my ideal world, people don’t have to go through any this bs to get a job. People don’t have to become their own salesperson just to get a job with a living wage. Maybe this is too communist for some people, but it would be nice if some government body just matched me with a job that matched my skillset and education, and then they guaranteed a living wage. If I work the job and I don’t like it, they let me pick one of my secondary matches. I don’t want to have to think about this shit, I’m not entrepreneurial and I don’t want to be entrepreneurial. In this scenario, I would think employers would also save a mint on recruiting costs.

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  • schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Those are all good points, except of course that “live problem-solving sessions” and “trial work periods” were definitely already a thing at my current job, yet the employer needed the résumé to decide whether to invite/consider me for that in the first place.

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  • dubyakay@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Maybe this is too communist for some people, but it would be nice if some government body just matched me with a job that matched my skillset and education

    I actually used government services, while unemployed, back in the early 2000s, but they were very miss. All they seemed to be focusing on was you hitting a quota of seeking out employers that they have listed for you, regardless of what you claimed to be as your profession or qualifications. Just so you can stay on the dole.

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    • theangriestbird@beehaw.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      yeah that’s different from what I am describing. That’s the bs work requirement for welfare/TANF - in that case, they don’t care at all about finding a good match for you, they just care that you are doing something to find any job.

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      • dubyakay@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Yeah, it was a very wasteful system. As in wasting both my time and that of tax payers.

        I didn’t care that I was technically entitled for unemployment money. After the first three locations that I’ve gotten offered, including sitting through a job seminar that quasi-turned into a car-wash operator course, where I was surrounded by folks that were really eager to take that job offer, I’ve declined further appointments at the youth job centre and sought out IT employers by myself.

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  • Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    it’d be great if the existing government bodies that explicitly exist to help people find jobs did their own fucking jobs and didn’t just sit around jerking off to paperwork and humiliating poor people

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    • theangriestbird@beehaw.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      yeah maybe those people need their *own *work requirements and accountability structure

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  • Zaleramancer@beehaw.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Preach. I’m so bad at selling myself!

    I just want a job with a living wage now, and it’s agonizingly, dehumanizingly hard to look online. Especially if you have the extreme rejection sensitivity aspect of ADHD.

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  • BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    That sounds like joining the military with extra steps

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    • theangriestbird@beehaw.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I mean sure except if I don’t want to do violence and I don’t want to adhere to rigid military standards then there is no place for me in the military. That leaves out most people.

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• mgnome@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Well, right now it's basically an arms race between recruiters and job seekers on who can put less effort in the process.

  I'm fairly certain many recruiters absolutely abuse the hell out of LLMs to read résumés, and when LLM-generated resumes arrive en masse - why even bother.

  And then you have some "bright minds" using AI agents to even do interviews, making people talk to robots. At some point the job seeking party is gonna do the same, and either it will be "interviewing is dying", or there will be some serious reconsiderations from employers on how not to organize hiring process.

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• Quexotic@beehaw.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Guilds that act as intermediaries?

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  • Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Tbat would be baaaad. So bad.

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  • callouscomic@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Where do I sign up to Hail Sithis?

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• mesamunefire@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I know quite a few that are using online resources (like LinkedIn/Indeed/etc...). Its not better (arguably worse).

  The best interview is one where you know the company, industry, and people working there. So yeah its still mostly word of mouth haha. Thats how I got my last jobs.

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  • Kowowow@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Man I’ve haven’t touched real socialedia yet and if I need “facebook for jobs” I’ll go crazy

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    • Powderhorn@beehaw.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I had to create a new Facebook profile in 2013 because at the time, no Facebook meant being roundfiled. So, sign up for a shitty data-mining account just to be fucking considered for a job. I got interviews after that, but they didn’t go anywhere because I was already in my mid-30s, and everyone already wanted to pay entry-level wages for what had previously been mid-career positions.

      Oh, and the ladder had already been pulled up. Entry-level for life was the goal for those making $80K-100K who just wanted to assert dominance.

      At least the Facebook thing is in the past (entry-level applicants are far less likely to have ever joined Facebook than in 2013, when it was simply expected like it was a cellphone), but now we’ve moved on to breathless accomplishment posts on LinkedIn.

      There’s no humanity left in the process without already knowing someone on the inside. Already, way back in 2003, when I was poached, company policy was that they had to post the job. So, they knew they were hiring me, but corporate made them post a nonexistent job anyway.

      It’s admittedly better to be on that end of a ghost job, but AI didn’t start the fire. The system had already been (likely for a while) replete with jobs with someone already selected.

      The main difference? Those jobs actually existed; the only deception was that it was still open.

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