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• MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Your comment shows either a very limited knowledge of queer identities or potentially large regional differences in the younger gens, because agender, bigender, and gender nonconforming people make up more of younger gens than they do older gens. So many young men are getting into makeup, nail polish, and wearing dresses and skirts. Way more than the older gens.

  I’m a gender abolitionist, but your comment is either misguided or outright false.

  pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9380989/

  “Boomers+ and Generation X groups were more likely to identify as trans women compared to the younger generational cohorts, who were more varied in their identities.”

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  • curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I read their comment as…

    And as Millennials/Zs/As are umshackled,

    And

    “Boomers+ and Generation X groups were more likely to identify as trans women compared to the younger generational cohorts, who were more varied in their identities.”

    Are not the same. There may be quite a bit more exploration of gender identity today, but many, many, many are still in areas or situations where such exploration would be dangerous.

    As in, not unshackled, just a bit more free for some.

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    • MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      They said: “They’re very rigidly stuck inside little Identity boxes anyway. You’re automatically “trans coded” if you’re a guy but like dresses, looking pretty and shaving.”

      That stuck out to me as some of the same trans fear mongering that the right wing uses when they say “tomgirls are a thing. You don’t have to be trans”.

      Im not saying they are right wing, but the idea that doing something gender nonconforming signals that you’re trans is not correct and in my experience not a widely popular belief among young people. It seems to me like they were saying people are too quick to call people trans and that’s just not the case. If that wasn’t their point, I’m not sure what they meant by suggesting that someone is “automatically trans coded”.

      I agree that there are still spaces where it’s not safe, but I don’t see that argument being made in the comment.

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      • curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        but the idea that doing something gender nonconforming signals that you’re trans is not correct and in my experience not a widely popular belief among young people.

        I think you are in a very progressive area, and don’t often see the parts that are not.

        I took that as them saying many can’t express themselves just like in the op post. That many who are in those younger groups are still stuck in those boxes. They don’t feel exploring would be safe, so they stay in those neat little boxes.

        I did not, in any way, read that as remotely to the right.

        Again, thats my take. I think it may be good to go back and re-read without assuming that the argument you’re reading is the one they are making, because to me it reads very differently, especially with that last line:

        There’s no reason to make those feminine traits though. Real liberation means we ditch the whole thing.

        Thats pretty different from “tomboys are a thing”, IMO. Not trying to create an argument here, btw, just saying the signals may have been mixed up and you’re on the same side.

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• lka1988@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I would argue that the Scottish kilt is one of the manliest items of clothing to exist. Its “gender-normative” equivalent is essentially a skirt.

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