And yet having sacrificed himself, he’s now back hanging out with his Dad in heaven and having a great time. That’s not a “sacrifice”, it’s more like a bad time at summer camp.
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burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 1 month ago
the whole point of Christianity is that Jesus sacrificed himself to absolve humanity of the original sin. The cross represents the sacrifice.
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 1 month ago
nickiwest@lemmy.world 1 month ago
It was a bad three-day weekend.
Yeller_king@reddthat.com 1 month ago
Yeah, but all that comes from Paul not Jesus himself.
barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 1 month ago
Exactly. ALL religion is a human construct to explain stuff that neolithic goatherders didn’t understand. Some of them were a talented storytellers, and made up all that stuff to entertain their bored colleagues.
OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 1 month ago
LIES THEY USED DIE FISHE SYMBOL IN ITS EARLIER LIFESPAN!!!
Turret3857@infosec.pub 1 month ago
Read this like he said it
mrodri89@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
Highly suspicious that we elected this representation of this sacrifice without written approval by Jesus himself, ey?
LordCrom@lemmy.world 1 month ago
If God is all powerful then why not just absolve us from the sin?
If this sacrifice was required, then he is not all powerful or he is into torture pron.
nelly_man@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I’m not an expert in the Bible, but I don’t think it really ascribes omnipotency to God. I think it’s better to understand it as God being able to do all that can be done. So He may have limitations, but they are such that no other being can do something that He is unable to do.
From that sense, He is not able to save humanity freely, but he can set forth a process through which He can achieve this goal with some cost. I.e., He can create a divine being (that is either Himself in whole, Himself in part, or a direct descendant of Himself depending on your interpretation) that is able to spread His message and display an act of extreme self-sacrifice.
I don’t really understand exactly what the sacrifice did or what needed to be fixed, but I do think the stories make a lot more sense if you accept that God has some limitations. For instance, I assume it’s fair to believe that Noah’s flood was his first attempt to fix the problem (by killing everybody except for the most righteous of His creation), but it failed because He can’t do everything and doesn’t know everything. But the story of Jesus was His next attempt to sort things out.
But that’s just me thinking about them as fictional stories that really need to be edited rather than a divine and infallible truth.
LordCrom@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Ok…so there are rules that God must obey…so he’s not all powerful, otherwise he would just change the rules
barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 1 month ago
Yeah, none of that makes sense. How much do you have to disengage your intelligence to somehow believe in that baloney enough to actually rule your life by it? Seriously weird.
burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 1 month ago
look pal i cant even be in a church without breaking out in hives, im just throwing out an easy explanation
chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Except earlier it said to have no idols. The cross is an idol. You can appreciate a sacrifice without using the tool that caused such sacrifice as a form of worship. If you rather jumped in front of you and died to a gun shot, he sacrificed his life to save you and you would be appreciative. Would you then wear a gun necklace around your neck to show you love your dad and the sacrifice he made for you? By sanctifying his murder weapon?