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This whole conflict has just always felt like a massive grey area as an outsider. Both sides have done horrible things over the years, with the retaliation often being even worse. Most governments (including mine) are actually supporting both sides, for example through humanitarian aid. That’s just kind of weird when you think about it, in a way they’re enabling both sides to keep going. And I just don’t know if there’s any way out of this besides one side completely destroying the other. Peace talks have been had so many times and it just doesn’t lead anywhere. It just feels inevitable.

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LordGimp@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
There is no argument for “both sides bad” when one side is currently right now this instant blowing up hospitals, schools, and children. One side is objectively worse and it’s the side hiding behind the skirts of “antisemitism” as they carry out an Arabic genocide

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- hoshikarakitaridia@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I disagree.
  
  Both sides are bad, no matter who is currently the aggressor.
  
  Now because there is aggression, the aggressor has an obligation to stop it, and we have an obligation to force a stop in the conflict as well. But that doesn’t make the other party less Bad in this. Both sides killed a lot of innocent people, both have inhumane ulterior motives and both are supporting further escalation. But ofc if there’s only one party doing the fighting, then that’s the party that acutely needs to be stopped.
  
  This distinction is very important to me, because you are not suddenly the good guy because you stopped killing civilians. You are just not actively doing war crimes which means we don’t have to intervene because of you anymore, which is at least one less reason. But you are not holy because “this year it was only 300 war crimes”.
  
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  - LordGimp@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    “Both have inhuman ulterior motives”
    
    Palestine wants to be free
    
    Israel wants to genocide Palestine and live in their homes
    
    Yes I can see how wanting liberty and self governance is exactly the same as wanting more land for your historically landless people regardless of how many natives you have to kill. Completely balanced
    
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    Bigmouse@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    The attacks weren’t perpetrated by a free Palestinian people or some recognized advocacy group, but by an extremist wing of the Muslim Brotherhood that has been pushed by Israel for decades.
    
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    man_in_space@kbin.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Palestine voted Hamas, whose founding documents are dripping with antisemitism (they cite The Protocols of the Elders of Zion which isn’t so much a dogwhistle as it is a klaxon), into power.
    
    If you’re a democracy, you’re responsible for whom you vote in.
    
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  - dumdum666@kbin.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    But ofc if there’s only one party doing the fighting, then that’s the party that acutely needs to be stopped.
    
    Hamas never stopped fighting and they still have about 200 hostages. What makes you think that the IDF would stop fighting now?
    
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