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• man_in_space@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  And the Palestinians vote them in.

  If White Southerners are responsible for the Civil War, the Palestinian people bear responsibility for choosing a genocidal majority.

  My sympathy for the Palestinians only goes so far—it ends with their ballot box.

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  • Bigmouse@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It’s a bit more complicated than that. Palestine doesn’t have a strong democratic tradition to begin with. Additionally, Hamas is only governing Gaza, not the West Banks. Hamas also suppresses secular Freedom organizations. And ~50% of the people in Gaza wouldnt even be able to vote out Hamas since they are under 18. Then we have the case of Hamas indoctrination, which finds fertile soil in the impoverished and destitute Gaza youth.

    All of that isn’t to say I support Hamas. I am quite vocal in my disdain for them. But Israel plays a significant part in their success. So does Iran. And let’s not forget that the religious right has been torpedoing a resolution aswell, not just the Jihadist organization Hamas. Rabin wasn’t killed by a palestinian hardliner.

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    • man_in_space@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      “Strong democratic tradition”? So you’re arguing that they were too stupid to vote is what you’re saying?

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    • man_in_space@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Hamas’ charter explicitly calls for the destruction of Israel.

      They don’t want a resolution.

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  • kux@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Just as all US citizens are responsible for ongoing drone strikes etc

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    • man_in_space@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      If they vote for candidates who support them, then yes, the body politic is responsible.

      Democracy comes with responsibility.

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      • zaph@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        How do you know which candidate I voted for before you blow up my house?

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  • zaph@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    When did the Palestinians vote last? What were the demographics of that vote? Are you completely confident it was a purely democratic vote or was it the kind of democracy Putin got voted by? Perhaps the kind kim was voted in by? Or do you think Palestinians have an electoral college like the US?

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    • man_in_space@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      2006. They were judged free and fair by observers. Hamas won the majority, to the surprise of many outside the region.

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      • zaph@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        So you’re fine with a nearly 20 year old vote, when the majority of the population is under 20, being the justification for “they chose Hamas?”

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