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LordGimp@lemm.ee 11 months ago“Both have inhuman ulterior motives”
Palestine wants to be free
Israel wants to genocide Palestine and live in their homes
Yes I can see how wanting liberty and self governance is exactly the same as wanting more land for your historically landless people regardless of how many natives you have to kill. Completely balanced
Palestine voted Hamas, whose founding documents are dripping with antisemitism (they cite The Protocols of the Elders of Zion which isn’t so much a dogwhistle as it is a klaxon), into power.
If you’re a democracy, you’re responsible for whom you vote in.
Lmfao that hasn’t been true since Athens invented democracy. Alcibiades was elected plenty and still turned traitor. The average Palestinian doesn’t support Hamas, but they’re not going to denounce one of the few factions actually fighting towards their goals. Get Israel out of Palestine and
The difference between a freedom fighter and a terrorist is whether they’re shooting are you.
As a native American in modern America, tell me more about how the terrorists won. Lmao my people also fought back, were labeled “terrorists” (read “savages” for old timey historically accurate racism flavor), and were damn near driven to extinction. There’s a reason I’m French Indian instead of just Indian.
Bigmouse@lemmy.world 11 months ago
The attacks weren’t perpetrated by a free Palestinian people or some recognized advocacy group, but by an extremist wing of the Muslim Brotherhood that has been pushed by Israel for decades.
man_in_space@kbin.social 11 months ago
And the Palestinians vote them in.
If White Southerners are responsible for the Civil War, the Palestinian people bear responsibility for choosing a genocidal majority.
My sympathy for the Palestinians only goes so far—it ends with their ballot box.
Bigmouse@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It’s a bit more complicated than that. Palestine doesn’t have a strong democratic tradition to begin with. Additionally, Hamas is only governing Gaza, not the West Banks. Hamas also suppresses secular Freedom organizations. And ~50% of the people in Gaza wouldnt even be able to vote out Hamas since they are under 18. Then we have the case of Hamas indoctrination, which finds fertile soil in the impoverished and destitute Gaza youth.
All of that isn’t to say I support Hamas. I am quite vocal in my disdain for them. But Israel plays a significant part in their success. So does Iran. And let’s not forget that the religious right has been torpedoing a resolution aswell, not just the Jihadist organization Hamas. Rabin wasn’t killed by a palestinian hardliner.
man_in_space@kbin.social 11 months ago
“Strong democratic tradition”? So you’re arguing that they were too stupid to vote is what you’re saying?
man_in_space@kbin.social 11 months ago
Hamas’ charter explicitly calls for the destruction of Israel.
They don’t want a resolution.
kux@kbin.social 11 months ago
Just as all US citizens are responsible for ongoing drone strikes etc
man_in_space@kbin.social 11 months ago
If they vote for candidates who support them, then yes, the body politic is responsible.
Democracy comes with responsibility.
zaph@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
When did the Palestinians vote last? What were the demographics of that vote? Are you completely confident it was a purely democratic vote or was it the kind of democracy Putin got voted by? Perhaps the kind kim was voted in by? Or do you think Palestinians have an electoral college like the US?
man_in_space@kbin.social 11 months ago
2006. They were judged free and fair by observers. Hamas won the majority, to the surprise of many outside the region.