So you say that you oppose Israel’s existence itself - the existence as a state, but do not hate Jews in particular, right?
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Norgur@kbin.social 1 year ago
Israel is a state
Judaism is a religion
If one disagrees or opposes one, they don't oppose the other. I know that Israel has managed to spin the narrative that Israel and Judaism are the same and everyone opposing the state is basically the same kind of hateful asshole Adolf was, but that's just not true. We here in Germany have struggled a long time with that for obvious reasons. You couldn't call out Israel for doing wrong shit without being called a Nazi. In that past that is. What you've seen isn't "Antisemitism". It's opposition to some of the bullshit Israel is pulling that is the very same kind of bullshit Jews have been subjected to in the past. Or tell me: What's the difference between a Ghetto in 1700s Germany and the Gaza Strip? Correct, the 1700s Ghetto had less travel restrictions.
There is a great push in Israel to be proud of the history of unjust oppression and prosecution Jews have suffered for centuries and how awful being a victim of that was. There is this sense that together, as a nation, they finally have the means to safeguard themselves against shit like that. Yet, that very same nation pulls a swift 180 when it comes to palestinians. Pushing them back into Ghettos, depriving them of any form of economical way out, depriving them of means to get their own electricity, their own water. Paying them pittances for their jobs, restricting travel for them whenever possible. Now, as soon as those people act hostile (go figure), the "state of the oppressed" Israel responds with the military. "A little bombardment will keep them in check, right? How dare they hate us?!"
If the message all the Shoa museums, all the graveyards for the people killed in atrocities was really understood, neither the "West Bank" nor the "Gaza Strip" could exist without Israelites acting up against them.
Rant over.
dumdum666@kbin.social 1 year ago
sheogorath@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Do you support the existence of an apartheid state? Yes or no answer only.
Norgur@kbin.social 1 year ago
Completely off-topic, but WABBAJACK!
dumdum666@kbin.social 1 year ago
Try your derailing somewhere else.
snooggums@kbin.social 1 year ago
Where did the poster say that?
Norgur@kbin.social 1 year ago
We all know that I didn't. But they need that for some sort of strawman argument, methinks.
rah@feddit.uk 1 year ago
Username checks out.
dumdum666@kbin.social 1 year ago
I know you would love it @rah 😘
dumdum666@kbin.social 1 year ago
You can hate on me all you want - keep it coming.
It’s time that everyone involved realizes that Israel will not disappear. Deal with it.
Both sides must put an end to their hate and quit looking backwards - they must look forward. Of course there is a lot of healing to do and amends to make - and this can be done without alienating each other.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I agree with your conclusions but it’s an oversimplification to say
Those things are very tied together, partially because no, Judaism is not just a religion. It’s a culture and ethnicity as well. And given the history of how/why Israel exists, it’s in the unique position of not just being any ole state.
man_in_space@kbin.social 1 year ago
Palestine is also a state (of dubious status).
They are democratic.
Their constituents chose—chose—a party of genocidal antisemites to represent them. Hamas has been transparent about their claimed “struggle against the Jews” since day one. The people seem to want this.
The last two times the West had racists in power we got a Civil War and then a World War (the second being directly antisemitic).
The world said “never again”, and then when someone tried it again, they cheered them on.
BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Israel played a pretty heavy role in the creation of Hamas. It’s not that simple here
man_in_space@kbin.social 1 year ago
And the Founding Fathers in the United States created the situation of slavery in the South as a power play. Doesn’t make the South any less culpable for their misdeeds.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I don’t see what any of this has to do with what I wrote