yea this attitude right here is why ai bros are so beloved
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trungulox@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Yes I have.
With a model I fine tuned myself and ran locally on my own hardware.
Suck it
mke@programming.dev 4 weeks ago
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trungulox@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Yes I have.
With a model I fine tuned myself and ran locally on my own hardware.
Suck it
yea this attitude right here is why ai bros are so beloved
utopiah@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Just curious, do you know even as a rough estimation (maybe via the model card) how much energy was used to train the initial model and if so how do you believe it was done so in an ecologically justifiable way?
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Just curious. Do you know how many children had a hand in making your electronics?
kieron115@startrek.website 4 weeks ago
Just curious, do you know how many trees were MOLESTED to create that air you’re breathing?
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I know at least seven were. It would’ve been more but I got a splinter and that really turned me off.
utopiah@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Straw-hat much or just learning about logistics and sourcing in our globalized supply chain?
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Satirically pointing out that worrying about electricity usage for model creation is ridiculous.
It’s already spent. The model exists. It’s probably MORE moral to use it as much as possible to get some positive value out of it. Otherwise it was just wasted.
utopiah@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
FWIW the person I asked did reply, they don’t care : lemmy.world/post/30563785/17397024
Hope it helps.
utopiah@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Apologies for my sarcastic answer, I did actually search for that a little while ago so I do assume most people do know but that’s incorrect. The most useful tool I know of would probably be www.aspi.org.au/…/mapping-chinas-tech-giants/
Let me know if you are looking for something more precise. I know of few other tools which do help better understand who builds what and how, for electronics but other products too.
mechoman444@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
trungulox@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Don’t know. Don’t really care honestly. I dont pay for hydro, and whatever energy expenditures were involved in training the model I fine tuned is more than offset by the fact that I don’t and never will drive.
utopiah@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
That’s some strange logic. Either you do know and you can estimate that the offset will indeed “balance it out” or you don’t then you can’t say one way or the other.
jfrnz@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Running a 500W GPU 24/7 for a full year is less than a quarter of the energy consumed by the average automobile in the US (in 2000). I don’t know how many GPUs this person has or how long it took to fine tune the model, but it’s clearly not creating an ecological disaster. Please understand there is a huge difference between the power consumed by companies training cutting-edge models at massive scale/speed, compared to a locally deployed model doing only fine tuning and inferencing.
trungulox@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Herpa Derpa flurbidy
mc900ftJesus@lemy.lol 4 weeks ago
Just curious, do you know how much energy went into powering every computer and office room for 3 years while the latest videogame/hollyowood movie/etc was being made used up?
Should we ban every single non-essential thing in the world or only the ones you don’t enjoy?
utopiah@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
That’s been addressed few times already so I let you check the history if you are actually curious.
utopiah@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Feel free to explain the down votes.
If it wasn’t clear the my point was that self hosting addresses mostly privacy for the user but that is only one dimension addressed. It does not necessarily address the ecological impact. I was honestly hoping this community to care more.
Maalus@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
What’s clear is that you don’t realize how much energy AI actually uses up and you ate up propaganda that you are spreading right now. A querry that runs for 20s to generate an image on a card that uses up at most 350W/h during heavy gaming sessions isn’t magically going to doom the world. Chill out.
utopiah@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I’ll assume you didn’t misread my question on purpose, I didn’t ask about inference, I asked about training.
Ascend910@lemmy.ml 4 weeks ago
“I was honestly hoping this community to care more.”
So you want us to all go destroy painting and super glue our hands to the road with you?
utopiah@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Please, do whatever you want to protect the environment you cherish. My point though was literally asking somebody who did point a better way to do it if they were aware of all the costs of their solution. If you missed it, their answer was clear : they do not know and they do not care. I was not suggesting activism, solely genuinely wondering if they actually understood the impact of the alternative they showcased. Honestly, just do whatever you can.
Squirrelanna@lemmynsfw.com 4 weeks ago
You looking for an excuse? No one else brought it up but if you need permission, go ahead. Thumbs up from me.
utopiah@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
You know what, again maybe I’m misreading you.
If you do want to help, do try with me to answer the question. I did give a path to the person initially mentioning the Model Card. Maybe you are aware of that but just in cased a Model Card is basic meta-data about a model, cf huggingface.co/docs/hub/model-cards
Some of them do mention CO2 equivalent, see huggingface.co/docs/hub/model-cards-co2 so here I don’t know which model they used but maybe finding a way have CO2 equivalent for the most popular models, e.g DeepSeek, and some equivalent (they mentioned not driving a car) would help us all grasping at least some of the impact.
What do you think?