If you can do the mental gymnastics necessary for that super obvious Nazi salute to be considered anything other than a Nazi salute: you’re making excuses for Nazis.
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AhoyMateys@lemmy.cafe 1 day agoUpon hearing people’s assertion that they are experts in fascism, an intricate and multifaceted ideology, I find myself inclined to assume that they would, at the very least, undertake the intellectual task of articulating a comprehensive definition of what fascism entails, or at least perhaps delve into an exhaustive exploration of the foundational principles and essential pillars that constitute its ideological framework. To date, none have done so, and I’ve seen the bar being set so low that if you so as to say that what was perceived of Musk’s gesture was not what he intended, you’re branded as a fascist or even a Nazi apologist.
Kolanaki@pawb.social 1 day ago
AhoyMateys@lemmy.cafe 1 day ago
And I maintain that the capacity to truly articulate one’s own intentions resides solely with the individual, and this principle is no less applicable to Musk. We are not the proxy of his mind, and only he, the bearer of his thoughts, is able to tell us what his intentions are or were. It may seem alluring to some people to project interpretations onto his actions, particularly in light of his often politically fraught and somewhat inept conduct, any presumption that we can definitively comprehend his underlying motivations remain speculative at best. Those who have distanced themselves from him are, more often than not, reacting not to his genuine intent, but rather to their own constructed perceptions of him though their response, inherently subjective, is entirely within their purview. Let’s not forget that Elon Musk’s daughter famously ended up proving herself wrong about him.
bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 1 day ago
It is so fascinating to see a sea lion out in the wild.
FistingEnthusiast@lemmynsfw.com 1 day ago
It’s solid trolling, I’ll acknowledge that they’re good at what they do
AhoyMateys@lemmy.cafe 1 day ago
Appealing to due process isn’t sealioning. Imagine if a stranger approached you on the street and made sweeping accusations about someone in your neighborhood, presenting ‘evidence’ that’s open to interpretation. Wouldn’t it be normal for those involved to question the validity of those claims? It feels like an attack rooted in bias even if that’s not the intent. If we applied the logic behind ‘sealioning’ accusations to every situation, we wouldn’t have courts or fact-checkers. Imagine if Elon Musk simply responded to criticism in his Community Notes program by dismissing everyone with, “Oh, you silly sealioners, you don’t know the full story”.
FistingEnthusiast@lemmynsfw.com 1 day ago
That’s so many unnecessary words when you could just say that you’re a nazi apologist and save us all the fucking around
AhoyMateys@lemmy.cafe 1 day ago
If you’re referring to appealing to due process in regards to Musk’s gesture, let’s not forget that his own daughter famously proved herself wrong about him.
FistingEnthusiast@lemmynsfw.com 1 day ago
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
AhoyMateys@lemmy.cafe 1 day ago
What was so funny about my reply?
givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 day ago
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AhoyMateys@lemmy.cafe 23 hours ago
You say that like other social media sites, such as Discord, haven’t been associated with bad behavior and mass violence. It’s not looking good for Discord. I think a ban on all Discord members is in order if you’re going to ban Kiwi Farms members without due process.
davidgro@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
What part of “we don’t care for Discord either” don’t you understand?
Fine. Pretend we did care. Your point is still worthless for very obvious reasons: Discord has millions of users, and perhaps hundreds are pro-mass-violence. Most will never have any interaction with those that are. KF has maybe thousands of users (I’m not going to check) and roughly all of them are at least pro-evil, likely also pro-mass-violence given the opportunity.
AhoyMateys@lemmy.cafe 21 hours ago
Not all the members are. For example, the person whom I refer to, who got instance-banned for suggesting that perhaps Elon’s gesture didn’t have ill intent, and for being a KF member, is first and foremost a trans ally and has a trans (FTM) brother. She’s written many posts where she expresses her support for the trans community and that trans people are valid. He came out as transgender when she was eight, which would have made him thirteen at the time. She was actually the first to fully accept him for who he was, since she had always wanted a brother, and in her mind, this was the brother she had been waiting for since she was born. He’s always been the most special brother she could have, and that hasn’t changed, even with everything that’s happened. Alignment with a site doesn’t mean one endorses the actions of the more questionable members on the site. I can see that those who are against Kiwi Farms are from two demographics that see themselves at odds with it.