Upon hearing people’s assertion that they are experts in fascism, an intricate and multifaceted ideology, I find myself inclined to assume that they would, at the very least, undertake the intellectual task of articulating a comprehensive definition of what fascism entails, or at least perhaps delve into an exhaustive exploration of the foundational principles and essential pillars that constitute its ideological framework. To date, none have done so, and I’ve seen the bar being set so low that if you so as to say that what was perceived of Musk’s gesture was not what he intended, you’re branded as a fascist or even a Nazi apologist.
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givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 day ago
The paradox of tolerance is a philosophical concept suggesting that if a society extends tolerance to those who are intolerant, it risks enabling the eventual dominance of intolerance; thereby undermining the very principle of tolerance.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
The first time I punched a Nazi was outside of an under 18 punk show.
Him and his buddy were overly nice, offering drugs/booze in the parking lot. A few minutes after approaching my group tho, one said “check this out” and showed me a fucking swastika tattoo.
Didn’t even think, quick jab to the nose without even really putting anything behind it.
It was instinct.
Doesn’t matter if someone is acting polite and following the rules to ingratiate into a group, when they show you that they’re not just intolerant but openly support violent groups, you have to show them that they’re not welcome.
Otherwise they’re slowly take over the group.
On the internet you don’t have to punch a fascist in the face to convince them they’re not welcome, you can just ban them.
Then when they make a brand new account, you can them again.
AhoyMateys@lemmy.cafe 1 day ago
givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 day ago
For years, members of the site created and operated by Joshua Conner Moon, 29, have congregated on what they call a “lighthearted discussion forum” to organize vicious harassment campaigns against transgender people, feminists and others they deem mockable. They gang up on victims and pool their personal details such as addresses and phone numbers in a practice called “doxxing,” spreading vile rumors and targeting workplaces, friends, families and homes. Another favorite tactic has been “swatting” — making false emergency calls to provoke an armed police response at a target’s home. Some people subjected to the group’s abuse have died by suicide.
AhoyMateys@lemmy.cafe 1 day ago
You say that like other social media sites, such as Discord, haven’t been associated with bad behavior and mass violence. It’s not looking good for Discord. I think a ban on all Discord members is in order if you’re going to ban Kiwi Farms members without due process.
davidgro@lemmy.world 1 day ago
What part of “we don’t care for Discord either” don’t you understand?
Fine. Pretend we did care. Your point is still worthless for very obvious reasons: Discord has millions of users, and perhaps hundreds are pro-mass-violence. Most will never have any interaction with those that are. KF has maybe thousands of users (I’m not going to check) and roughly all of them are at least pro-evil, likely also pro-mass-violence given the opportunity.
Kolanaki@pawb.social 1 day ago
If you can do the mental gymnastics necessary for that super obvious Nazi salute to be considered anything other than a Nazi salute: you’re making excuses for Nazis.
AhoyMateys@lemmy.cafe 1 day ago
And I maintain that the capacity to truly articulate one’s own intentions resides solely with the individual, and this principle is no less applicable to Musk. We are not the proxy of his mind, and only he, the bearer of his thoughts, is able to tell us what his intentions are or were. It may seem alluring to some people to project interpretations onto his actions, particularly in light of his often politically fraught and somewhat inept conduct, any presumption that we can definitively comprehend his underlying motivations remain speculative at best. Those who have distanced themselves from him are, more often than not, reacting not to his genuine intent, but rather to their own constructed perceptions of him though their response, inherently subjective, is entirely within their purview. Let’s not forget that Elon Musk’s daughter famously ended up proving herself wrong about him.
bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 1 day ago
It is so fascinating to see a sea lion out in the wild.
FistingEnthusiast@lemmynsfw.com 1 day ago
It’s solid trolling, I’ll acknowledge that they’re good at what they do
AhoyMateys@lemmy.cafe 1 day ago
Appealing to due process isn’t sealioning. Imagine if a stranger approached you on the street and made sweeping accusations about someone in your neighborhood, presenting ‘evidence’ that’s open to interpretation. Wouldn’t it be normal for those involved to question the validity of those claims? It feels like an attack rooted in bias even if that’s not the intent. If we applied the logic behind ‘sealioning’ accusations to every situation, we wouldn’t have courts or fact-checkers. Imagine if Elon Musk simply responded to criticism in his Community Notes program by dismissing everyone with, “Oh, you silly sealioners, you don’t know the full story”.
FistingEnthusiast@lemmynsfw.com 1 day ago
That’s so many unnecessary words when you could just say that you’re a nazi apologist and save us all the fucking around
AhoyMateys@lemmy.cafe 1 day ago
If you’re referring to appealing to due process in regards to Musk’s gesture, let’s not forget that his own daughter famously proved herself wrong about him.
FistingEnthusiast@lemmynsfw.com 1 day ago
Your reaction is completely understandable
Hats off to this troll for their effort though. They’re definitely amusing
AhoyMateys@lemmy.cafe 1 day ago
It’s probably a good thing that, to the best of my knowledge, I don’t fit most definitions of a troll, now, isn’t it?