Comment on Religions have some of the wackiest rules

• Quill7513@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  only jesus said there is a new covenant with him, which nearly all denominations interpret to mean the rite of circumcision is a thing of the past

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  • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    … Unless you’re in Protestant dominated USAmerica, where male genital mutilation remains a widespread a common practice.

    Roughly 80% of American boys/men are circumcized.

    I can provide either statistics or pics as proof, your choice.

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    • Quill7513@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      no i know. i’m part of that statistic. my parents weren’t consulted ahead of time. it was simply done “for health reasons”

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      • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        … are you saying you don’t want pics…

        /s /s /s lol

        I edited in a bit more info… yet another wonderful amazing lie I had to figure out entirely on my own that my fundie parents told me with utter confidence.

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    • Revan343@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      None of that is for (directly) religious reasons though; Americans circumcise their sons because a cereal company founder thought it would prevent masturbation, and Americans are removed apparently

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      • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        … It is an unchallenged remnant of many things, a large chunk of those things having puritanical religious origins.

        And almost all those religions happen to be Jesus-centric.

        Kellogg was just a more recent large scale eh… reinforcment of the norm. He was inspired by his particular Christian views… 7th Day Adventist.

        Like, yes, its not as direct as many modern preachers constantly doing sermons about the virtuosity of circumcision… but even still, I can easily say that the reason the practice is unchallenged is that American Protestant Christians of many, many different Denominations… well they strongly promote traditionalism for the sake of tradition, not questioning authority figures, actively rejecting modern science and medicine.

        Like uh… Max Weber’s christian protestant work ethic explanation of the peculiarities of American culture in regards to attitudes toward work and politics and many other cultural features… isn’t 100% perfect… but it is a very good starting point to understand why American Protestantism is sociologically distinct to other societies.

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      • finitebanjo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Lol I guess one of the involved instances censors that word.

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    • Devadander@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Which has fuck-all to do with Jesus, the meme is still incorrect

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      • Quill7513@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Pentecostal holiness denominations are both small and overrepresented in policy making

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    • MissJinx@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      But that’s not religious. It’s an american thing.

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      • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        It is an American thing that arose from, and persists because of how Americans ‘do’ Christianity.

        As I said in another post, start with Max Weber, and then explore more of the history of how Christianity and Christian Denominations, cults, sects, revival movements, etc, have shaped the country as a whole, in ways that are distinct from how other kinds of Christianity have shaped other countries in the last 300 or so years.

        Like… the whole reason we have the First Amendment, the freedom of religion part… was mainly to make it so that none of the varying Christian Denominations would be able to use the government to censor or outright oppress or murder each other.

        Read the journals of the founding fathers, federalist papers, etc, if you doubt that.

        America was largely initially founded by populations of varying kinds of extreme Christian Sects fleeing persecution in Europe… and a lot of our early history is… those sects persecuting and mistreating, or at best, barely tolerating and competetively trying to proselytize, other sects that just over here now, on a different continent… as well as all the indigenous populations… and the imported slaves.

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      • fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        It’s motivated by Christian sexual abuse

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    • Guidy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Tell that to the doctors recommending it then, not to us. As far as I’m concerned this obsession over it is a mental disease and not one I’m pleased to see making the jump from Reddit.

      I’m circumcised, and I don’t give a shit, and I never will, and it’s not the same thing as FGM at all.

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      • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Discussing it isn’t an obsession, an obsession would be making your whole personality about it, or basically having that be a primary hobby or something.

        You are doing a less extreme version of the thing that politcal news pundits do against protests:

        Protesting as a concept is fine, but it turns out any protest with views I disagree with? Well they’re protesting wrong.

        If you are reading this as an obsession, I dunno what to tell you, check my comment history and you’ll see this is the first thread I’ve ever mentioned it in, and my older, nearly year old account? Don’t think I ever mentioned it.

        Finally: Yes, female genital mutilation is very often much, much worse, in that it usually entails total removal of the clitoris, which is… basically fundamental to the ability of a woman to experience pleasure and orgasm.

        But that doesn’t mean male genital mutilation is not also bad. The male hood also generally has a much higher concentration of nerve endings than… basically everywhere other than the head.

        And both of these practices fundamentally remove bodily autonomy from a baby/child, and are culturally/religiously done for reasons that ultimately or directly arise from a very paternalistic and authoritarian approach to children as property of parents, and intending to diminish and control their sexual characteristics without consent.

        … But if you don’t wanna have this discussion, feel free to block me, or just… not discuss… this…?

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    • JoMiran@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      youtu.be/gCSWbTv3hng

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      • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Good vid!

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• Neverclear@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Jesus’ deity is pretty famously rejected by the Jewish faith.

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• dontbelasagne@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Didn’t Jesus deny being god though, the son of god and god are not the same entity, it’s like saying I’m my mother because I was born out of her, but two different entities

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• disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Jesus hadn’t been created yet. God is eternal, but Jesus was God made mortal.

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  • tomenzgg@midwest.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    The same was in the beginning with God.

    All things were made by him: and without him was made nothing that was made."

    is generally interpreted to mean that Jesus was there from the beginning. Or, to quote the Nicene Creed,

    begotten and not made, consubstantial with the Father

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• Pippipartner@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  This is technical correct and I love it.

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