Comment on Dunning-Kruger

• MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Sure, pick one you like :D Image

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  • TheBeege@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Woo!!! I want the one with the ears!!!

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    • MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Good choice. Here, make sure to hold him tight and treat him right.

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• IZZI@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Arguments mate, or you are just wasting our time.

  Let me ask you this:

  What is the 3rd gender that one can “transition” to? Does one need to take drugs to impede their biological physiology to work properly if they want to “transition”? If one stops taking hormonal drugs what will happen?

  Any individual can have different traits:

  • a woman can be agressive, impatient with kids and mean
  • a man can be a good cook, can like to clean take care of kids and easy to scare
  • a woman can be good at fighting and assertive
  • a man can have mood swings

  Nothing of what I said makes anyone less of a man or woman, they are EXACTLY what they were born with whatever masculine or feminine traits they have.

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  • iltg@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    “what is the third gender” your deliberate misunderstanding and simplification of the issue is just bad faith debate. you’re proving us that fractions are “syndromes” by using only integers. this is just a display of ignorance and bigotry, it doesn’t really paint you as smart as you’re trying to appear

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    • IZZI@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      So we agree that there are

      XX - woman XY - man

      And some genetic mutationa in between XXY - Klinfelter syndrome XXXY - no idea how this is called X -Turner syndrome XX intersex XY intersex And true gonadal intersex

      And still these are medical conditions, a man on drugs wearing a wig is still a man, and a woman on drugs to grow facial hair is still a woman.

      It’s a he and a she regardless

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      • uniquethrowagay@feddit.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Honey, nobody claims that trans women are biologically identical to cis women or the other way around. Sex is not gender.

        And chromosomal deviations is exactly what the PhD in the OP is talking about. You can call them medical conditions if you like, but that doesn’t change the fact that there are XY women and XX cis men.

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      • iltg@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        so we agree that

        1: one 2: two

        and then there are just some numbers in between, 0.1, 0.2…

        this is just a fact, you coming in these comments wielding words you don’t understand and concepts you barely grasps doesn’t make you smart or correct

        you’re just a bigot regardless

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  • SirQuack@feddit.nl ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Arguments mate, or you are just wasting our time.

    So far you’ve only voiced your transphobic opinion, that’s not how a good dialog is started.

    Arguing with you is a waste of time.

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  • TheBeege@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You haven’t read anything about this. It’s very clear. The first thing you learn is that sex and gender are different. Sex is biology. Gender is identity.

    The second thing you learn is that sex is not binary. (And gender, being a social construct, certainly is not set in stone.) Genes may be XX, but maybe some other factor may be preventing that gene from expressing fully or even at all. This can lead to highly androgynous folks or folks with odd genital configurations. It takes genes, gene expression, and hormones for a human to express characteristics of some sex. Not all three of these are perfectly aligned. You can argue that genes control all of it, but that doesn’t stand. Genes can conflict, and environmental factors can affect things.

    I learned all that and more in just twenty minutes of reading. Please, go do some homework. Start with “what is the difference between sex and gender,” then let the rabbit hole take you down. At least, that’s the path that helped me learn a bunch of this stuff.

    And regarding Dunning-Kruger, the key point is confidence. That said, I’ll caveat all the above I’ve said with this is just stuff that I’ve read from sources that I trust, which I can corroborate with my existing knowledge of genetics and broader biology. I’m not an expert. I can be proven wrong. Most of this is definitions and quite simple stuff, so my confidence is high but still shakeable.

    Normally, I’m a stickler about answering asked questions, but your questions seem to be based on a misunderstanding of definitions. Once you get that sorted out, we can try again and maybe learn something together

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  • Fedizen@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    If you’re going to do a binary, X and Y chromosome doesn’t hold up due to the presence of functional XX males from an SRY gene. Its speculated most Y chromosomes started as X chromosomes in animals that have that dichotomy.

    In fact a functional or non functional SRY gene is a better determinant for biological sex.

    The fact is though that testerone and SRY receptors have relatively high variability and trying to socially stress people into a group of traits will create a feedback loop that is opposed to more natural courses of evolution. In fact its likely trans people - of whom there are records of going back to time immemorial - are likely an evolutionary adaptation and serve some evolutionary function to society.

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    • IZZI@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Since gender is socially constructed (male norms, female norms, male jobs, female jobs) the presence of trans people in society that not only understand both sets of roles but can navigate them is probably an advantage over societies where those roles are less fluid and more strict.

      This might sound strange but I don’t believe in an set of norms in that sense. People can do whatever the fuck they like. Male jobs are male jobs because they require more muscle, female jobs might require more emotional IQ but I don’t see why you should be constrained to that

      I’m a dude, I like doing laundry, and I like playing with kids, don’t like cars and don’t like football. Does that make me a woman?

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      • xor@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Just because you don’t think there should be social characteristics associated with gender doesn’t mean that there aren’t

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    • giuseppe@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      By definition “time immemorial” means we have no records.

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      • Fedizen@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        So “until time immemorial” means we have records up to the point we don’t any records. The suggestion is its a thing that probably predates the records

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