Comment on Anti-acknowlegements

• NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  While I agree, men face sexism too, in a different way. It feels like minimizing their experiences, to have someone come in here and say, well, actually, men face sexism as well.

  I am a guy, for the record. I just finally started listening to the women in my life who have been telling me for years that they face this stuff.

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  • themoken@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I don’t think it’s minimizing to acknowledge that sexism endemic and cuts both ways.

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    • NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      You don’t have to think its minimizing. I’m trying to tell you nicely that it is.

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      • gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Well, you’re wrong, so maybe don’t be a condescending shit about it

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• NotLemming@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  True, the patriarchy harms everyone. Sexism against women harms them (even kills) from interactions with men, negatively affects education, career, even hobbies. Leads to medical bias which also may kill them. Leads to them being trafficked and used as sex slaves. Experience female genital mutilation.

  Andrew Tate is a hugely popular figure amongst young men. Those men are being harmed by the patriarchy but don’t realise or maybe care as they’re too busy harming women. It’s not the same for men, they’re massively privileged compared with women.

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  • themoken@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    The patriarchy is also what sends men to die for imperialism, tells them they can’t ask for help, admit weakness, or be vulnerable. It’s why the ratio of suicides is 6:1 men to women in the US and men are something like 4 times more likely to die deaths of despair, take jobs that destroy their body, or get rejected from jobs that deal with caring or teaching because of biased assumptions of pedophilia and sexual abuse.

    Yes, some (read: cis, hetero, white, Christian) men are privileged by the system, and we should absolutely not discount women’s experiences, but it’s not one or the other, it’sboth.

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    • NotLemming@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Oh, have you been sent to die? War duties are irrelevant for most men. The last conscription in my country was WW2 and women died then too, as nurses near the front, in the blitz, as spies, etc. All genders join the military now.

      Meanwhile I think the conviction rate now, in 2025 for rape of women by men is 1%. That means you won’t get justice if you’re a woman reporting a serious crime. Women in america are dying because they can’t get healthcare for their miscarriage and pre-teen girls forced to carry their rapists baby. On shitter dickheads openly gloat ‘your body, my choice’ with no censorship, because abuse of women isn’t censored. Andrew Tate. Not really the same situation for men and women, is it? Women aren’t causing men to commit suicide but men are still controlling, belittling, abusing and killing women.

      If you’re actually against the patriarchy you have to realise that it fucks women over way more and always has. We’re only seeing a backslide right now, and I suppose women in the west are lucky they aren’t in a country they would be stoned to death, or not be allowed to be overheard talking, seen inside their own home, etc.

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      • themoken@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Nobody is arguing that the patriarchy fucks men harder than women because you’re right, it doesn’t.

        Your dismissal of the military issue and suicide is an example of your, and society’s, complete lack of empathy for men. Sure, it’s not women sending men to die, or directly causing them to feel hopeless, but that doesn’t somehow mean they aren’t victims of the patriarchy.

        Did I personally get ordered to die? No, but I sure as hell had my role as an emotionless working machine, the assumed self-sufficient breadwinner that needed to support my entire family myself even if it meant my life was expendable, pushed on me by men, women, religion, and the media. And if I didn’t want that role or failed to live up to it, I’m a fucking loser and the community doesn’t care that I fed myself to a meat grinder and came out broken.

        I promise, it’s possible to have empathy for the women who are being fucked by the patriarchy as well as the men simultaneously. Going back to my initial comment, it was never trying to disregard the scientist in the post, only dispel this idea that there is some individual that hasn’t experienced sexism/patriarchy.

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