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• latenightnoir@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Can’t speak about the mad part, but what I meant about RDR2 is that it obviously got less love from the community than GTA V, which is why it’s essentially been shuttered in terms of any expansions/online components - while GTAO keeps receiving new mini-expansions even with GTA VI around the corner.

  Not to mention there are no talks about furthering the series…

  That’s why I consider it underappreciated.

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  • Saleh@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I think not having an online component is a feature there.

    GTA lives of the story and dense world. Online is just mayhem, which is fun for a bit, but gets bland quickly.

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    • latenightnoir@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      If we’re talking about GTAO, I agree. However I have a different opinion about RDO, it had the potential to be less of a griefer cesspool than GTAO, but Rockstar had even less motivation to prevent cheating than they did in GTAO, so…

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  • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    RDR2 is to RDR1 what GTA V is to GTA IV

    Only in terms of graphics and world size. I found GTA V to be worse on net than GTA IV:

    • less interesting/relatable protagonists
    • side content feels tacked on, while it’s relevant to the GTA IV story
    • driving went back to arcadey nonsense

    I found it an extremely disappointing return to Los Santos, whereas I found GTA IV to be an interesting return to Liberty City.

    Yes, GTA V is gorgeous, but it was a slog to play IMO. Once it’s replaced by newer, prettier GTA, will you want to replay V? That’s certainly true for me for SA and IV, but not for V. The only reason it’s somewhat interesting is because it’s the latest entry.

    RDR2 is to RDR1 as GTA IV is to GTA III: same setting, different story, and much much prettier.

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    • latenightnoir@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      In terms of story complexity and depth, I completely agree with you. RDR2 is even better than GTA IV, and that was a pretty hard act to pull to begin with!

      As an overall game, though, I do see it somewhat on par with GTA V overall.

      Sure, the story’s nowhere near as gripping or even smart necessarily, but the characters do have depth, the narrative content makes sense, and i does have some interesting interactions between the characters which humanise them just enough for me to want to see the story through. It kinda’ feels like someone tried to pull off Seinfeld in the world of GTA and sort of succeeded in creating a game about nothing much as far as the themes are concerned.

      This is compensated a lot by the Online component, which seems to be the second half of the story - there are a lot of returning characters, we get to see the evolution of some favourites, the missions and objectives themselves pretty much go nuts way more frequently than the single-player ones. It’s clear that Rockstar focused a lot more on the online component that time, but the story content’s still good and even more interesting overall.

      Now, credit where it’s due, RDO does a lot more to keep the multiplayer in the sandbox, with far fewer activities being relegated to dedicated lobbies, and has a lot more NPC interactions as well, but it still feels relatively barebones when compared to GTAO (this loops back to my first point about it receiving less love, thus less development post-launch).

      But, yeah, again, GTA IV (especially when including TBoGT and TLaD) and RDR2 are THE epitome of Rockstar storytelling.

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      • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        the characters do have depth

        Some, but each is a massive disappointment:

        • Trevor - most interesting IMO (esp. w/ end of game “mission”), but surely he’s interested in ruling the Los Santos drug trade, so why don’t we get any missions doing that?
        • Franklin - most promising since he claimed to want to start his own business at the start, but once he gets money, he just chills at his house and doesn’t do any more missions? The closest we get to ambition is trying to work with the Grove Street gang, but that’s a handful of missions that go nowhere.
        • Michael - the most developed, but also the least interesting; he’s just a cuck whose wife is cheating on him and whose kids don’t respect him, and his life’s dream is to succeed at something he failed at years ago (massive mid-life crisis energy)

        I guess there’s a message there, but every other game had driven characters with clear goals that the player could relate with. In GTA V, the entire point of the game is just to get rich by doing heists, yet you only do five, and you can’t even repeat them.

        sort of succeeded in creating a game about nothing much as far as the themes are concerned

        And that’s probably my problem with it. Every other game had a point, which was steeped in satire at every turn. GTA V seemed simultaneously too serious (not nearly enough satire) and unfocused. Here are the previous games in the series (starting w/ III, I didn’t play I or II):

        1. GTA III - Claude gets shot by his GF during a heist, and is befriended by someone in a mafia family. Plot happens, he’s passed between various criminal organizations, and eventually deals with all opposition. In the final scene, his new “gf” whines, and he’s the one to shoot her, wrapping up his arc.
        2. GTA VC - Tommy is released from prison and goes back to work for his boss. Plot happens, he sets up his own crime family, finds out his boss was the one to put him in prison, and he kills his former boss, wrapping up his arc.
        3. GTA SA - CJ returns to Los Santos from Liberty City to find his childhood gang having lost most of its power. He helps them reestablish themselves, is betrayed, leaves Los Santos, and then returns later to reestablish the gang and deal with his betrayer, which ends his arc.
        4. GTA IV - Niko arrives in Liberty City with a friend promising a new life, but is quickly dragged back into crime. He deals with various criminal orgs, and eventually either his best friend or girlfriend gets killed, after which he takes revenge. Having dealt with his problems, he finds out Roman’s fiance is pregnant, implying he has new meaning to his life.
        5. GTA V - Michael and Trevor fail at “the big heist,” Michael thinks Trevor died, and both go on with their lives. Michael gets Franklin to help, Trevor arrives in Los Santos and finds Michael, and together they plan to have another crack at the big heist they failed. Plot happens, they succeed, and Franklin is given the choice to kill Michael, Trevor, or try to save them both. Michael’s arc is largely completed, but Franklin and Trevor don’t really get closure on their goals in life.

        Each story was more complex and interesting than the past, but GTA V ended that trend.

        Online component, which seems to be the second half of the story

        Never tried it. Maybe that’s why I dislike the game so much.

        RDO

        Also never played. I’m just not interested in any online component whatsoever, so I evaluate the games based on their SP experience.

        Here is my list of Rockstar games that I’ve played by quality of story and character development:

        1. RDR2
        2. GTA IV
        3. RDR1
        4. GTA SA
        5. Bully
        6. GTA VC
        7. most other rockstar games
        8. GTA V
        9. GTA III

        I actually stopped and started GTA V a few times before deciding to force myself to finish it, because I kept coming back (people kept saying I should give it another shot) and re-downloading it just to be disappointed again was getting old. The game really fell flat for me, but at least I finished it and have no more desire to give it another shot.

        I hope GTA VI is better because I love the rest of the series, but there’s no way I’m getting it anywhere near launch because I’m expecting it to be more like GTA V than previous entries.

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• ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  …is my math fucked up or are two and six the same thing these days? Seems they’d need a few more before they get to “VI.”

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  • Alexstarfire@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Ohh no. This guy doesn’t know about the new math. Should we tell him?

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    • ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Ah this is that Commoncore Math I’ve been hearing about? Thought a supergroup of Dillinger Escape Plan and Converge made a new genre.

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  • TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Im so confused 😭😭

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