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• prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I’m the last one to defend a tankie… But go fuck yourself.

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  • Warl0k3@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Nah.

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• _lunar@lemmy.ml ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Could it possibly be that we both have deeply subjective views of the other large instances, because humans fall to tribalism faster than a kitten on a sock full of catnip?

  nope, it’s because your instance is operated by people who refuse to moderate disinformation under some naive belief that enough debate bro-ing is all it takes to defeat it, failing to understand that the effort it takes to proliferate hate and disinformation is much smaller than the effort it takes to refute it. as such, lemmy.world is becoming overrun with some of the most toxic motherfuckers on the entire platform because all the sane people are being driven away.

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  • Warl0k3@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Ah, a blanket denial of everything I said. How glad I am that I’m above petty things like pointing out the stereotypical behavior of users from other instances. It’s nice up here, on the Mountain of Sarcastic Moral Superiority.

    As an actual counterpoint, the primary way that new users get onto lemmy is always going to have the highest concentration of toxic users. Society is, if you haven’t noticed, incredibly toxic. Commonly espoused ideas, like trans people being human or civil rights being important, aren’t commonly supported by society at large (source: the entire world right now). The easiest way for people who support those things to find their way to instances where those ideas are popularly held is to join the most popular instance and see both the need for other instances with heavier moderation, and what those instances are. How many people hear about blahaj or sh.itjust.works before signing up to lemmy, vs. sign up there as their second account?Personally, I’m pretty grateful that the most toxic opinions are largely self-segregated into a place where people aren’t required to interact with them. It’s less pleasant, sure, but it’s also the best place in the fediverse to get an accurate idea of what the real societal opinions are. And if it gets to be too much, I can always just flee like a base coward and spend time under one of my alt accounts on a more heavily moderated instance like .ml.

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    • _lunar@lemmy.ml ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      that isn’t necessarily true though: you don’t see other popular instances of fediverse platforms having these problems when they actually put effort into enforcing rules that protect the community and discourage disinformation and hate speech, and it doesn’t make them any less of a gateway for new users.

      the staff on lemmy.world promote disinformation, and that does not benefit any of us, especially when disinformation has a way of spreading that the separation of instances alone isn’t enough to prevent. most are still either directly federated to lemmy.world, or federated to instances that are federated to lemmy.world.

      toxicity itself isn’t inherent to society but a consequence of how our current society is set up, and social media platforms that deliberately proliferate disinformation play a role in that. if you want to actually counter hate and disinformation the first step you should take is to stop outright encouraging it and fight it at the source.

      also, implying people are cowards for wanting to flee your hate instance is despicable and privileged-ass take. fuck you.

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      • Warl0k3@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        also, implying people are cowards for wanting to flee your hate instance is despicable and privileged ass-take. fuck you.

        That was pretty clearly self deprecating. Who in the hell calls someone else a ‘base coward’, anyways? For that matter, who would even take seriously being called a base coward? I think you might genuinely be treating everyone else as hostile as a means of self defense, which while understandable is in itself incredibly toxic to interact with.

        I have real comments here, along the lines of what you mean by promoting disinformation and the moderation standards you would prefer to see here. But come on, what’s the point in trying to have a discussion when you treat everything like an attack on you & yours?

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• Clodsire@lemmy.ml ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  This from a user on an instance that’s known for having a large amounts of transphobic, homophobic, misogynist and racists users and a mod team that doesnt do the bare minimun to deal with them

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  • Warl0k3@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    … Then why are you here, participating in that?

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    • _lunar@lemmy.ml ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      because unfortunately lemmy.ml federates with lemmy.world. even if we were to block lemmy.world on an individual level, the toxicity and hate coming from it affects and influences users of other instances. better to push back against you dweebs whenever you try to incite misogynistic hate than just cover our ears and pretend you aren’t here fucking things up.

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      • Warl0k3@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Ah good, we agree then. There’s a certain necessity to engage with opinions counter to our own instead of pretending they don’t exist, even if it’s personally uncomfortable to do that.

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  • drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Where are you going where you see that much of it?

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• BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  SJW here and I just wandered in, but now I’m grabbing the popcorn and a seat

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