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- Comment on The one drawback to walking at night 2 hours ago:
never said i was a woman you dipshit, and i’ve already explained this to you. the argument is not flawed because the argument was never at any point “all men are doing this” like you keep suggesting for some dumbass reason. you aren’t arguing in good faith, but i’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it’s probably because you’re an incel propagandist and your intention is to steer others into your hateful ideology, because the alternative is that you’re the most dense motherfucker on the planet.
- Comment on The one drawback to walking at night 2 hours ago:
i didn’t say it makes it okay or that i’m not sympathetic. this thread is full of “but what about men tho” takes to discredit the fear women reasonably have of being attacked by men. they don’t have to worry about women nearly as much. the original post stands true regardless of whether or not men are also affected, which they are, and perhaps they should consider doing something about it instead of just dismissing the concern all together because it came from a woman.
- Comment on The one drawback to walking at night 2 hours ago:
- Comment on The one drawback to walking at night 8 hours ago:
come back when you’re older
- Comment on The one drawback to walking at night 9 hours ago:
you literally said “women molest 13-year-old boys” as if it’s a common occurrence the way men raping women is. the best you could do was cite one article about one case. you know exacly what it is you’re doing. stop playing dumb.
- Comment on The one drawback to walking at night 9 hours ago:
except the implication kikutwo’s trying to get across here isn’t true at all. stop entertaining this garbage. one instance of something happen is not equivalent to an immense amount of something else happening.
- Comment on The one drawback to walking at night 9 hours ago:
it’s a statistic fact that men commit an absurdly high amount of sexual violence against women. the best you could come up with is ONE article of ONE case demonstrating the opposite. go fuck yourself.
- Comment on The one drawback to walking at night 10 hours ago:
onlyfans supplies the demand coming from men what the fuck are you talking about
also most women don’t even fucking have an onlyfans you dumbass. why do incels always insert that into every conversation? what the hell is going on with you guys?
- Comment on The one drawback to walking at night 10 hours ago:
“This is hilarious. If you think you have it right, by all means keep at it. But when you finally realize what i’m saying, I have feeling you’re going to feel pretty embarrassed by how long it took you to get there.” likewise, assuming you actually believe what it is you’re saying and you aren’t just some dork from 4chan trying to recruit fellow incels.
men are murderers of women whether you like it or not. that doesn’t and has never meant all men, but enough of them do it that all women have the be afraid and as such the sentiment rings true. she’s not going to be afraid of women murdering her because not only is it a statistical improbability by a considerable margin, where on a personal level she’s unlikely to have ever heard of or witnessed extreme violence from other women, but most women would have a story to tell you about men.
she has reason to be afraid of men. she has reason to generalize because even if it isn’t the majority, the number is great enough that any strange man could be a potential predator to her. and none of that fear is unfounded. men are socialized under patriarchy that encourages violent rage and discourages healthy expression of emotion. it causes the statistics. it causes the fear women rightfully and regrettably must have.
men are specified and the distinction is made not because she thinks all men are murderers, but because if someone were to harm her (and the chances of that are already way too high), it’s almost certainly going to be a man, not a woman. but, i refuse to believe you’re thick enough not to understand this. quit bullshitting.
- Comment on The one drawback to walking at night 10 hours ago:
tfw you can’t see women as anything other than sex objects and you just assume everyone else is like you
- Comment on The one drawback to walking at night 10 hours ago:
because nobody at any point in history has ever fucking said “all men are [insert negative thing men are statistically more likely to do than anyone else here]” that was never my conclusion, that was never the implication of the original post, and you know it.
MRA astroturfers make such misrepresentations of our points not because they believe them but because they know other(usually impressionable and young) men will feel attacked if our arguments are construed as an attack on them personally even though they clearly aren’t. i’ve become hostile with you because it’s become clear that’s what you’re doing. you’re a propagandist for the far right whether you realize it or not and you should fuck right off.
- Comment on The one drawback to walking at night 11 hours ago:
this coming from the one throwing a misogynistic fit over a shitpost. eat my ass.
- Comment on The one drawback to walking at night 11 hours ago:
aaaand we’re back to “not all men again”
for fuck’s sake you stupid ass, nobody is saying it’s all men. the point is that violent crime toward women predominantly comes from men, and happens enough that women must live in fear because they are likely to have a violent encounter with men. saying men are murderers is not the same as saying all men are murderers. there’s a reason the word “all” is used and isn’t used. it is a fact that women have to be afraid of violence from men and men specifically. that is why she says “too bad men are murderers” because men are the ones that are statistically likely to take her life (among other things) when she’s out alone. she did not say “all men are murderers” because that’s a given that doesn’t need to be clarified to anyone except for incel pricks like you arguing in bad faith.
you aren’t even capable of having this discussion because you’re fixated on one fundamentally flawed strawman argument that refutes nothing being said. have the night you deserve.
- Comment on The one drawback to walking at night 11 hours ago:
the FBI crime statistics were good enough for you a couple replies ago, but now you’re considered about biases? why does this only now fail to meet your criteria? why should the burden now be on me to prove the authenticity of the source you told me to find? i have more sources that all suggest the same disparity of violent crime between women and men if you have good reason to believe these particular statistics are misleading, but do you?
- Comment on The one drawback to walking at night 11 hours ago:
it literally does. you don’t even understand my argument.
good luck having women work with you though, i’m sure they’ll love how you downplay their experiences with sexual violence because “not all men are bad”
- Comment on The one drawback to walking at night 11 hours ago:
i actually posted the FBI statistics in my reply. you didn’t.
you can’t liberate the proles without the liberation of marginalized groups among them. stop pretending to be a comrade when you’re just a misogynist and opposed to what we stand for.
- Comment on The one drawback to walking at night 12 hours ago:
you didn’t cite any actual statistics, meanwhile throughout this thread people have been citing stats that prove you wrong. violent crime between men and women is not equal, and women are disproportionately victimized by it and men disproportionately cause it.
and yes, i’m fully aware these statistics compare violence by gender. no one is saying that because the majority of violent crime is committed by men, that the majority of men are violent criminals. you’re being obtuse and missing the point on purpose.
- Comment on The one drawback to walking at night 12 hours ago:
it’s self-deprecating but has hostile implications toward the many users who really did leave to escape ill treatment toward them. marginalized people get enough of that in real life after all. i don’t think they should have to endure it at all, nor do i think it’s cowardly to want to avoid it. if i’m reading too much into this and that wasn’t your intention, i’m sorry. though i’m really not sure how else to interpret that.
when i say lemmy.world promotes disinformation, i’m referring to their recent announcement that they would require community moderators to entertain disinformation in the name of having open debate. they redacted that announcement following the backlash if i recall correctly, but it is nonetheless reflective of how they have been moderating things on their instance, which is apparent in threads like this one that stir the pot and bring out all the rabid misogynists that have been tolerated and continue to be tolerated on here. the lack of moderation toward these things aligns with what they stated in that announcement, that these are ideas we should be open and fair to.
the problem of course is that being open to disinformation alienates the marginalized people affected by it, harms the people who would be deceived by it, and only serves to benefit the people who would spread it. it’s a lot easier to fight disinformation and bigotry by stopping it at the source rather than letting it fester and then trying to take it down with debate. we all know how difficult it is to argue in good faith against those arguing in bad faith. it takes no time and no effort to just make something up, but more time and effort than most people even have the energy to give to refute it with fact-based evidence.
we’re in the midst of a social crisis with the rise of the incel movement and MRA influencers. those who follow these things are more emotionally invested in them than logically, and near impossible to get through to. you might be able to convince a few undecided readers if you put sufficient effort into your replies, but ultimately the spread of these movements are much faster than the handful of individuals who make an effort to stand against them. a lot of us just don’t even have the time. we need support from those who are in the position to actually take preventive measures against them.
- Comment on The one drawback to walking at night 12 hours ago:
yes, and i wouldn’t have to fight the losing battle of stopping the proliferation of disinformation through debate if the mods used their position of power to prevent the proliferation of disinformation in the first place.
- Comment on The one drawback to walking at night 12 hours ago:
does the post say “all men are murderers”? no, it doesn’t. it is however true that a disproportionate amount of men are murderers, especially compared to women, the number of whom that are murderers of men or other women are so statistically low compared to men that it isn’t even worthy of consideration.
men, generally, are far more likely to commit acts of violence than women. and the number of men who do, while not the majority, is high enough for women to be afraid of men in general.
under our existing patriarchal social conditions, men are murderers. they’re more inclined to violence and present a higher risk than women. saying “men are murderers” doesn’t mean “all men including you are murderers” it simply means that the threat is near entirely comprised of men. you should also be aware that we also don’t think that this is inherent to being a man but a manifestation of social conditioning under patriarchy that encourages such behavior in men.
- Comment on The one drawback to walking at night 13 hours ago:
i counter them out of necessity, but ideally i’d rather the lemmy.world admins do that since that’s supposed to be what they’re for.
- Comment on The one drawback to walking at night 13 hours ago:
that isn’t necessarily true though: you don’t see other popular instances of fediverse platforms having these problems when they actually put effort into enforcing rules that protect the community and discourage disinformation and hate speech, and it doesn’t make them any less of a gateway for new users.
the staff on lemmy.world promote disinformation, and that does not benefit any of us, especially when disinformation has a way of spreading that the separation of instances alone isn’t enough to prevent. most are still either directly federated to lemmy.world, or federated to instances that are federated to lemmy.world.
toxicity itself isn’t inherent to society but a consequence of how our current society is set up, and social media platforms that deliberately proliferate disinformation play a role in that. if you want to actually counter hate and disinformation the first step you should take is to stop outright encouraging it and fight it at the source.
also, implying people are cowards for wanting to flee your hate instance is despicable and privileged-ass take. fuck you.
- Comment on The one drawback to walking at night 13 hours ago:
because unfortunately lemmy.ml federates with lemmy.world. even if we were to block lemmy.world on an individual level, the toxicity and hate coming from it affects and influences users of other instances. better to push back against you dweebs whenever you try to incite misogynistic hate than just cover our ears and pretend you aren’t here fucking things up.
- Comment on The one drawback to walking at night 14 hours ago:
Could it possibly be that we both have deeply subjective views of the other large instances, because humans fall to tribalism faster than a kitten on a sock full of catnip?
nope, it’s because your instance is operated by people who refuse to moderate disinformation under some naive belief that enough debate bro-ing is all it takes to defeat it, failing to understand that the effort it takes to proliferate hate and disinformation is much smaller than the effort it takes to refute it. as such, lemmy.world is becoming overrun with some of the most toxic motherfuckers on the entire platform because all the sane people are being driven away.
- Comment on The one drawback to walking at night 15 hours ago:
oh for fuck’s sake you know this is full of shit. just because women are technically physically capable of doing it, that doesn’t mean they’re statistically an equal threat.
- Comment on The one drawback to walking at night 15 hours ago:
lemmy.world mods finding out that they’ve cultivated a community of reddit incels:
- Comment on The one drawback to walking at night 16 hours ago:
they lost because they alienated the anti-genocide voter, not because of you insignificant dorks who take it personally when women express fear in a patriarchal society that’s overwhelmingly violent against them. you were never going to vote anything other than chud anyway.
it’s normal, or at least it used to be normal and even encouraged by men for women to be cautious about men because men make it dangerous out there. encouraged to carry mace, to only meet men for the first time in public places. for a lot of men this has been a social norm and it’s perfectly understood why. the ones who aren’t understanding this are the ones that women should be afraid of.
- Comment on The one drawback to walking at night 16 hours ago:
ah yes misandry is when women don’t just shut up and accept disproportionate violence from men
- Comment on The one drawback to walking at night 16 hours ago:
god forbid women have a perfectly reasonable fear of the people who make the streets unsafe for them to begin with
- Comment on The one drawback to walking at night 16 hours ago:
who’s killing the men?
