Comment on It really is like this

• verdigris@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  This is all some seriously internalized US propaganda.

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  • MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    What is? Calling China fascist isn’t American propaganda because the government and its sources do not claim China is fascist. The Americans calling China fascist are poorly educated in fascism. China is authoritarian but not fascist.

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    • verdigris@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’m agreeing with you for the most part, their list of talking points is the propaganda.

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      • StraponStratos@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Anything negative of China is propaganda says the .ml tankie.

        Gee, you wouldn’t happen to be utterly biased at all.

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  • SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    So if you post on social media “I think Dictator Xi should be removed from office and we should have real elections again” nothing will happen?

    I feel like something happens if you post that in China that you don’t want to talk about.

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    • MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You can’t ask that in any authoritarian nation so. that isn’t demonstrating that China is fascist.

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      • SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Doublethink is cringe.

        Stop with the mental gymnastics before you pull a muscle

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    • verdigris@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      What happens? Do you have any evidence of what happens besides your imagination?

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      • SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        www.nzherald.co.nz/…/3M32MV2ZIFJ6ZKY3BKCH4XWCLA/

        We don’t have to imagine because they do that already.

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• sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Been on xiaohongshu for a while now and the chinese netizens I interacted with were nothing but kind to foreigners even when we treated them like shit.

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  • SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You’re interacting with the ones who are still allowed internet access.

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    • sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Many of them use VPNs to get around firewalls and I speak with them aswell on other platforms. I am learning mandarin and it is quite helpful

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      • SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Cool.

        I’m glad their lives aren’t hell under their fascist regime.

        Most of the time when a country tries to make an ethnostate the main race get to live pretty good lives.

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    • Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Hold up, you think people in China aren’t allowed to access Chinese apps? 🤣

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  • StraponStratos@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Anecdotal evidence means nothing, doubly so from a .ml troll.

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    • sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You can literally go on XHS or douyin and speak with them yourself

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      • StraponStratos@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I’ve lived in China. I’ve had Chinese live with me. I actually know shit without going on social media and being fed propaganda.

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• Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Appeals to restore past glory

  Genuinely, what on earth are you talking about? China’s past is full of poverty, humiliation, and exploitation, literally, “The century of humiliation!” The only people who “appeal to restore past glory” are the CIA-funded Shen Yun performances romanticizing “China before communism.” The Chinese people I talk to will specifically point to the Qing as a clear demonstration of the danger of clinging to tradition and the necessity of adapting and looking forward.

  China literally had a cultural revolution seeking to abolish tradition. I expect you would call that fascist just as you call if fascist whenever some people still follow tradition, after all:

  “During the cold war, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence. If the Soviets refused to negotiate a point, they were intransigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing arms limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most armament treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative. If the churches in the USSR were empty, this demonstrated that religion was suppressed; but if the churches were full, this meant the people were rejecting the regime’s atheistic ideology… What we are dealing with is a nonfalsifiable orthodoxy, so assiduously marketed by the ruling interests that it affected people across the entire political spectrum.”

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• IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  You cannot disagree with the state

  Technically you could make thinly-veiled criticisms against local governments, but just not the central government or Xi Jingping

  Or you can talk shit about the government behind closed doors, there are no telescreens like Orwell’s 1984.

  TCM crap over science

  That shit is fucking annoying. My mom keep telling me anti-depressants are bad 😓

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• MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Ok what about Robert Paxton’s? Those are a lot better thought out as his actual focus is fascism rather than it being a side gig like it is for Eco.

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