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Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology and movement,[1][2][3] characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.

Far right? Hm, maybe not. Otherwise: Check, check, quasi-check, check, check, check, …

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SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
China has become a psudo Capitalist country in its quest for world domination.

Capitalism goes hand in hand with right wing extremism

I think China would have to do a lot more for the avg person before they could be considered socialist or communist again

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- Schmoo@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Socialism isn’t when the government does stuff for the people, it’s when the people take matters into their own hands and do stuff for the good of each other. Even if a state behaves in the most benevolent way possible, it is not socialist unless the workers have collective ownership of the means of production.
  
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  - SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    By the definition there are no socialist countries.
    
    When people talk about socialism in the real world it doesn’t mean owning the means of production
    
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    Schmoo@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Only because the very concepts of ownership and the collective-individual dichotomy are necessarily vague and subjective. China considers themselves socialist because they equivocate the people with the state. If the people are collectively represented by the state and the state owns (some of) the means of production, then at least transitively the people own (some of) the means of production.
    
    As an anarchist I don’t believe the state adequately represents the interests of the people, nor do I think it could even if it were radically democratic and egalitarian, though I would still certainly prefer that to the existing status quo. Somewhere a line must be drawn arbitrarily and I prefer to draw it on the other side of authoritarian state control.
    
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- Carl@lemm.ee ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  I think China would have to do a lot more for the avg person before they could be considered socialist or communist again
  
  Within the last five years China completely eliminated the worst category of poverty in their borders. I’d say they are currently actively engaged in doing a lot more for the average person than most countries.
  
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  - SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    If you can take the Chinese Government for their word. Which I can’t
    
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    diplodocus@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    
    press.un.org/en/2019/sgsm19779.doc.htm
    Helping 800 Million People Escape Poverty Was Greatest Such Effort in History, Says Secretary-General, on Seventieth Anniversary of China’s Founding
    
    worldbank.org/…/lifting-800-million-people-out-of…
    Lifting 800 Million People Out of Poverty – New Report Looks at Lessons from China’s Experience
    
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    Carl@lemm.ee ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Do you take the Chinese citizens at theirs?
    
    We find that first, since the start of the survey in 2003, Chinese citizen satisfaction with government has increased virtually across the board. From the impact of broad national policies to the conduct of local town officials, Chinese citizens rate the government as more capable and effective than ever before. Interestingly, more marginalized groups in poorer, inland regions are actually comparatively more likely to report increases in satisfaction. Second, the attitudes of Chinese citizens appear to respond (both positively and negatively) to real changes in their material well-being, which suggests that support could be undermined by the twin challenges of declining economic growth and a deteriorating natural environment.
    
    Very few governments on this planet have approval numbers this good, and even fewer have ones this good when it’s a neutral third party conducting the surveys.
    
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cybersin@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
So… Authoritarian, and not far right… So… Not fascist.

Calling a government fascist, but not far-right is like calling Death Valley a lake. There’s no fucking water (anymore), its not a fucking lake.

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- Eheran@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Mate, the only thing missing from that list to also check far right would be extreme conservatism. No idea how much China is conservative and how much that matters compared to other things. It would be like death valley in a different country.
  
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  - cybersin@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    You simply don’t understand.
    
    Far-right, ultra-conservative, and fascist are synonyms. There is no difference between these terms.
    
    They all describe the same thing; fascism.
    
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TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
I mean yeah… Far right is kinda a big part of distinguishing authoritarian left vs authoritarian right. I think the only way you could possibly conflate the two is by ignoring economics.

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- dragonfucker@lemmy.nz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
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MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
The far-right part is critical though. It’s kind of like how breast cancer needs to be in breast tissues. China is just authoritarian.

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- usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Exactly. China is colon cancer, not breast cancer
  
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