Comment on Multiverse

HawlSera@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• fsxylo@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It was always a hypothesis that filled in a math equation but has no proof.

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  • HawlSera@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    So, bout as much evidence as Dark Matter.

    I used to not believe in Dark Matter, but during a recent shroom trip I saw that it existed and that my being was even composed of it. That to an extent all of us are made of equal parts matter and dark matter, and the parts of us that are made of Dark Matter are the reason why we have paranormal experiences, for they’re actually quite normal experiences just happening to us on a level where we can’t see all the details.

    And if I were the Spirit Science guy I’d walk away fully believing THAT.

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    • apolo399@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Dark matter is not a thing, it’s an observation, a phenomenon that was poorly named. There’s so much evidence under the name “sark matter” that we can’t discount it as a real phenomenon. We just don’t have a strong evidence for a single dark matter theory (theory in the scientific sense of the word, not the colloquial one).

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      • Natanael@slrpnk.net ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Something dark matter like has to exist, because there’s no other reasonable way to describe this behavior (shifted center of gravity matching presence of matter not influenced by friction)

        caltech.edu/…/dark-matter-flies-ahead-of-normal-m…

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• milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Quantum results are hard to explain, but proven (by experiment) to be real. There’s a particular mathematical/logical definition of something being ‘real’ and ‘local’, that I’ve still only half got my head around, and it should be true but isn’t.

  The main experiment is two particles that, if you check one, it affects what you’ll see in the other in a particular, but subtle , way. And it’s proven mathematically impossible to find an explanation where they don’t either communicate faster than the speed of light (so, not ‘local’) but the effect actually happens (‘real’).

  The trick is in the statistics - the pattern of results - that match up between the two particles in this very particular way. And one way to explain it is that different options are also happening, but in a different universe - i.e. every time two different things could happen, reality splits into two realities, one where this happens and one where that happens.

  That’s for specific quantum events, but some think those such quantum events underlie all choices and possibilities in reality. So, scale up that idea and you get ‘infinite’ (actually just very very many) parallel universes, one for every possibility that could ever have happened, branching off into more each time a (quantum) choice happens.

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  • apolo399@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    They don’t “communicate” faster than light, the wave function itself is non-local and collapses non-locally.

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• reliv3@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The big bang theory posits the creation of multiple universes during the event. To accept the big bang theory as a model for the beginning of our universe is to accept the possibility of multiple universes.

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  • Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Does it? As far as I am aware, the Big Bang modle only describes how the early universe developed, not how it began.

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    • reliv3@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You are correct. But this doesn’t restrict the big bang theory’s ability to conclude that other universes would have been created during the event.

      Imagine analyzing a moving ball while simultaneously not knowing what caused the ball to move in the first place. We can still say a lot about this ball without the knowledge of how it started moving in the first place…

      As Hawkings once said, seeking information about what caused the big bang is fruitless. Cause and Effect assumes a timeline, and there was no timeline before the big bang, therefore, asking what caused the big bang is actually a useless question. Therefore, it’s only fruitful to analyze the effect of the big bang, and through analyzing it’s effect, we conclude that other universes were likely created during the event.

      A lot of this is based on the theoretical mathematics which define the big bang, but it’s also based on the standard cosmological model of our universe. The fact is cosmological theories already suggest the possibility of different universes which have different initial parameters. Our universe isn’t special, therefore it makes sense that other universes with different initial parameters could exist. The big bang theory aligns with this and suggests that a different universes with different initial parameters could have also been created during the event, therefore, the multiverse.

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      • Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Sure, BBT doesn’t preclude other universes exsiting, and some details may even suggest other universes, but that’s outside the scope of BBT cosmology, and I’d hardly call that evidence when we still have inflation and axion theories floating around ready to radically change our idea of the early universe.

        We have more evidence for Dark Matter, and we can’t even agree that that’s matter!

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  • HawlSera@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Well, fair enough then.

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• kameecoding@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  There is the Mandela effect if you want to believe that, but that is also easier to explain by people having shit memory.

  Berenstein/berenstain bears are like the main Mandela effect thing(other than mandela)

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  • HawlSera@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Personally it was always “Berenstain Bears” I know it was because I watched the Nick Jr. show as a kid, and the ads would use the “BerenstAin” name

    The Mandela Effect is interesting because while I do remember the correct version of most events (Pikachu did not have a black stripe, Rich Uncle Pennybags did not have a Moncole, Nelson Mandela did not die in prison, “No, I AM your father”), there are still some that I straight up know did not happen the way I remember them.

    For example: Fruit of the Loom had a Cornucopia, I remember because it was the first time I had ever seen one. The only reason I knew what a cornucopia was, was due to it being on the underwear logo.

    That said I have heard about memory being incredibly suggestible, studies about people who were tricked into believing they had been on a Hot Air Balloon when they had not or seeing Bugs Bunny at Disney World despite that not being a Disney character. So Mandela Effect could be bullshit.

    There are some stories that interest me from time to time.

    Like in a Youtube Video discussing Mandela Effect, James Rolfe better known as the Angry Video Game Nerd, had always remembered the pay off to “My face on the one dollar bill”, being that the money Joker gives out at the end of Tim Burton’s Batman movie was counterfeit with the Joker’s face on it… But that’s never actually revealed in the movie.

    The reason that interests me, is that the prop money DID have Jack Nicholson’s face on it, but it’s something you can only find out by reading about the development of the movie as it’s never shown to the camera clearly enough for you to tell. Making it interesting that James remembered a factual detail he couldn’t possibly remember from watching the movie.

    Now it’s easy to say “Well James just read about the prop money being Joker themed and got mixed up about where he heard the money from”

    My dad is even more interesting, for reasons beyond it being someone I know

    My dad claims he is a magnet for this kind of phenomenon, claims that the “Time People” are always messing with him, and that he regularly experiences time out of order. The thing is though he might actually be right.

    We’ve had times where we’re talking and he says something that has nothing to do with what we’re talking about and makes no sense at all, and I’m like “Are you okay?”

    Like one time I was just checking in on him, and he starts rambling about Dr. Manhattan from Watchmen for some reason… I just assume he’s tired, since he works two jobs and all., often coming home from one just to change uniforms and go to the other.

    And then months later, we’re talking about weird experiences we’ve had while high (He’s a stoner, I’m not but I partake from time to time), and I mentioned that sometimes I “see things” before they happen, but I can’t stop them from happening, then when they happen… It’s like… I know they’re going to happen, but I can’t prevent them happening, and I react like I’m “supposed to”

    And he says the thing he said before about Dr. Manhattan, referencing the scene where he’s on Mars and knows his lady friend is going to tell him something, she tells him, and he still acts surprised, because he was SUPPOSED to be surprised…

    It’s the same thing he said only now there’s context for it, and then our heads start hurting and we flashback to the conversation where he had no reason to say it.

    Freaky stuff happens to him.

    The weirdest one though, is one time he straight up told me that he was from another universe.

    See I don’t live with my dad, he’s a state a way and I only sometimes see him. Last time I saw him it was for my cousin’s graduation, and he says to me, he’s not my dad, he’s a version of him from another universe.

    Because he never married my stepmother, and I’m confused because he did and they have a daughter, my half-sister. He tells me a story of how years ago he screwed up on a big date way back when, and never got over her. So he went out drinking with some friends of his at this restaurant, and he sees her at the bar, he’s had a few drinks and they tell him that he needs to win her back, do this one grand romantic gesture.

    Now he’s drunk this sounds like a good idea, and he goes up to her, but sees she’s with a guy, having a nice time, and decides not to ruin her night. He tells me, that he goes home in tears, his heart broken, and falls asleep alone. The next day, he wakes up and she’s in the kitchen, finds that he and her have been married for months, she loves him, and has no recollection of being anywhere last night except home with him. So he just smiles, and accepts that he has been given a gift, and just tells her that it was all a bad dream he had been having.

    Creepy story if true. Not sure I believe it, but it’s an interesting tale to say the least.

    Now, it’s possible that my Dad is just fucking with me because he thinks it’s funny, but… believe what you want I guess. Maybe my day have some kind of schizophrenic disorder or maladaptive day dreaming. I don’t know, and I probably never will.

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