We aren’t rapist apologists. But the investigation was dropped due to a lack of evidence. What else can people do to proof their innocence to people like you?
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Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 9 months agoHow about we don’t encourage a rapist instead?
Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 months ago
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
Right, because it’s easy to prove you’ve been raped years ago 👍
wetnoodle@sopuli.xyz 9 months ago
People in here be acting like getting roofied enhances your memory, they don’t remember shit because they were drugged
orrk@lemmy.world 9 months ago
People also acting like a niche influencer doesn’t know what happens backstage during these parties. Getting roofied in a bar, taken to the guy’s house and fucked? yes, that is rape. knowingly going to a drug orgy and accepting the drugs does somewhat imply consent to be part of a drug orgy.
Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 months ago
They could have been roofied yeah. Happens sadly at parties. Doesnt mean the band had anything to do with it. Anyways, charges dropped means I consider them not guilty. Everything else would allow accusations alone to destroy lifes even when the accused is not guilty.
justabigemptyhole@lemmy.world 9 months ago
If I stream Feuer Frei um keinen Preis, is that supporting rape?
disconnectikacio@lemmy.world 9 months ago
No, the majority here are who fed up with fake rape charges of #metoo…
Katrisia@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Apparently, Lemmy doesn’t believe the man who writes misogynistic lyrics can be sexist. It’s the same all over the internet. Quoting Reddit users:
a) Rammstein’s lyrics can be rather extreme, as they often include rape, incest, death, sex tourism, necrophilia, etc etc. But are they sexist? No I don’t think so.
b) A lot of their songs are out of someone’s perspective. Like Ausländer can be perceived as a sexist song written from a perspective a dude (Till lol) shagging his way around the world and seducing local populace with his foreign allure and hilariously low effort “knowledge of the local language”. […] On the other hand what the band actually intended to do is criticize colonialism.
One does not need to believe the sexual allegations to see that, still, something’s fishy, especially with the lead singer. The lyrics, the orgies, etc. For years, I have disliked songs and interviews because of this, but it all gets the “It’s satire” or “It’s symbolism” pass.
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
It’s the equivalent of people saying something stupid, arguing about it and when proven wrong they go “I was just acting retarded, you’re the one who’s dumb for believing it!”
Huby@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Innocent until proven guilty? If I said you raped me, are you a rapist now?
The investigation was dropped because of lack of evidence.
Koike@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
Man, I’ve work as a roadie on their show, there was maybe 20 girls, bearly 18, hand picked by some security dude right in front of the stage, the whole group was moved to backstage as soon as the show ended, they’re famous for their post show orgies, it’s fucking gross, some were really young and he’s 60… I loved Rammstein, but now it feels wrong. Maybe he hasn’t been convicted due to lack of evidence (also remember he has money and isn’t your regular joe), but defending a man fucking girls when he could be their grand pa is also fucking gross.
ArcticLynx@feddit.de 9 months ago
the age of the women really isn’t the problem here. if a woman is 18+ she can fuck whoever she wants, even men thrice her age. even girls between 16 and 18 are legally allowed to have sex with much older men, as long as they aren’t compensated for it.
the problem here is rather the lack of consent. many women report being sexually assaulted or even drugged and raped.
Koike@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
Maybe it’s not a problem for you, but it is for me, as I said I find it really fucking gross to fuck 18yo when you’re 60… but to each his own I guess. Lack of consent isn’t gross it’s fucking outrageous, and punishable, no controversy here, but age does play a part in that too, at 18 lots of girls won’t be able to see they’re about to be drugged and abused, they’re easy preys.
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
What kind of evidence could the victims bring to court years later exactly? You think they come out to become famous or something?
The fact that similar accusations aren’t taken seriously is exactly what led to the metoo movement.
Johanno@feddit.de 9 months ago
The court actively tried to contact the victims over several countries or anybody who could testify. Except for one witness no one showed up and the one witness only said she doesn’t know what happened.
So maybe there is a very safe way to get women to forget everything that happens or he is not guilty.
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
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