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Comment on Skyrim teaches a Lemmy user about fascist propaganda

I’ve been saying that for a while. Nobody to root for in the game. Not the Empire, not the Nords, not even the Forsworn. And the Forsworn thing is a whole racist trope of its own, holy shit. You have basically this blackface take of Native Americans, who’ve been wrongfully dispossessed of The Reach, but they had to make them all black magic worshiping, centered around the witch/hag hierarchy, every weird colonialist slur you could even dig up from the “Manifest Destiny” days. Skyrim’s great as like a fidget spinner for the ambience and the like, but man does it have problems.

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prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
It is just such an excessively mediocre game, that I’m still surprised to see people talking about playing it to this day. Just… why?

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- weker01@sh.itjust.works ⁨43⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago
  It’s fun. Especially with mods.
  
  Why people on consoles still play it? I’ve no idea
  
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- veganpizza69@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  why?
  
  Eternal recurrence
  
  "What, if some day or night a demon were to steal after you into your loneliest loneliness and say to you: ‘This life as you now live it and have lived it, you will have to live once more and innumerable times more; and there will be nothing new in it, but every pain and every joy and every thought and sigh and everything unutterably small or great in your life will have to return to you, all in the same succession and sequence—even this spider and this moonlight between the trees, and even this moment and I myself. The eternal hourglass of existence is turned upside down again and again, and you with it, speck of dust!’
  
  "Would you not throw yourself down and gnash your teeth and curse the demon who spoke thus? Or have you once experienced a tremendous moment when you would have answered him: ‘You are a god and never have I heard anything more divine.’ If this thought gained possession of you, it would change you as you are or perhaps crush you. The question in each and every thing, ‘Do you desire this once more and innumerable times more?’ would lie upon your actions as the greatest weight. Or how well disposed would you have to become to yourself and to life?"
  
  Friedrich Nietzsche
  
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TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I don’t think you seriously know the lore of the Elder Scrolls and the way it usually works out, and are really projecting your own prejudices without realizing it. The Forsworn are a take on Breton mythology in The Elder Scrolls universe, and The Elder Scrolls universe is essentially all about subverting the expectation of what you thought the past really was like, what it truly was like, and the transposition of both of these into the same time frame. Hell, the whole concept of Aedra and Daedra is a literal manifestation of this dichotomy at the “god/demon” level.

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- HawlSera@lemm.ee ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  The more I hear about Starfield the more I’m glad Baldur’s Gate 3 blew it out of the water.
  
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- dx1@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  The Forsworn thing is completely on the nose. I don’t know what “take” you’re saying it is.
  
  You could go for the “they’re telling you all options are imperfect” theory, except they dramatize the fuck out of the whole thing to make it seem as “epic” as possible. The same way the rest of the game is. I don’t have prejudices about the game, it’s a text with content and that’s what the content is. I think real life is more black and white than the absolutely muddled amoral mess the Empire vs. Stormcloaks conflict is.
  
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  - Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    The problem is Bethesda, as usual. Like with their work in Fallout, the script and the deeper meaning of any choices you make in the game are always subservient to their larger view of gameplay - they do not think of the player as a part of any story, they view their customer as a kid bashing action figures together. Any possible combination of action figures being bashed together needs to be valid in support of that. This is why every possible ally will accept you, and no choice ends up feeling like it deeply matters.
    
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