Peter_Arbeitslos
@Peter_Arbeitslos@feddit.org
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- Comment on Is anyone else not feeling that patriotic for July 4? 1 week ago:
Just to remember: I’m German myself. I didn’t say they are nazis, I said “Sounds like some nazi stuff, at least that would be my first impression if someone did it here”. I don’t want to implement Godwin’s Law in this constructive discussion. In my opinion it sounds like nazi stuff, because a lot of German nazis I know love to fantasize about their “Germanic roots”. That’s my first impression while I don’t have much detail what you are referring to, since I never experienced such a celebration myself.
Could you understand my position better by what I wrote aside from that stuff about Garmanic celebrations? Because I would like to better understand the US-American view on patriotism while explaining my own.
- Comment on Is anyone else not feeling that patriotic for July 4? 1 week ago:
people that have Nordic or Germanic ancestors and love to celebrate and love that part of their heritage with yearly parties or festivals.
To be honest: Sounds like some nazi stuff, at least that would be my first impression if someone did it here.
Isn’t it a normal human reaction to feel proud of your “tribe”?
Sarcasm joins the room May be, but killing each other was a normal human reaction for millenia. Sadly still is today sometimes.
NASA is great and I really like it, I feel good for humanity because it is able to do different thing than killing. I wouldn’t call that proud, because I didn’t contribute to it. Even space travelling is to complex to like all of it, moon landing was part of some foolish trial of strength on earth- No, I won’t overanalyse it.
I know your July 4th isn’t a cult meeting, but patriotism seems like something invented for people who have nothing they can feel proud about, because they haven’t archived something to be proud about. (Don’t take that personal.) At the same time patriotism tends to sperate different groups of people which shouln’t be seperated since they all are part of humanity and could archive great stuff together. It’s the one thing evil persons can rely on if they want to create a scapegoat to make people fight this scapegoat instead of seeing that they –the people– all are just part of humanity and should revolt against their evil leaders.
- Comment on Is anyone else not feeling that patriotic for July 4? 1 week ago:
I deliberately exaggerated, but I dont’t understand patriotism in general (see comment under OPs response on my comment).
- Comment on Is anyone else not feeling that patriotic for July 4? 1 week ago:
proud of your home and the accomplishments of the country
Don’t really understand that either. I could understand celebrating the date at which you got an united democracy, that’s certainly an accomplishment. Even that happend a quarter millennium ago, you (not even your grandmother) didn’t take part in it and nowadays there’s no British monarchy you can annoy by being a democracy, but celebrating democracy as a concept always is great. But you don’t do that. All what I see from the Atlantic Ocean’s other side is some people celebrating something which is written under “Nationality” in their passports. I personally can’t celebrate something as complex/indefinite as a country. I don’t think complex really is the best word for it, but what I mean is that countries never are only good and also “country” itself is a term so obscure and indefinite. The country existed for nearly 250 years, billions of people lived in it and some terrible stuff happend in and because of it. Wars and crimes and war crimes of leading personell, etc. Surely also some good stuff, but how to seperate that? You simply can’t. Is Ronald Reagan part of what you’re celebrating, is Donald Trump part of it? Is democracy part of it? Is some random 1800s-farmer part of it? Are people even part of it and if no why? Are the country’s borders part of it? Is the tree standing in your backyard part of it? You can’t ignore the killing of civilians in Vietnam war while including democracy or can you? What’s home? Is it your family? Your house? Both?
One thing is for sure: You aren’t the country, you just live at some place on the world which happens to be territory of something named “USA”. Same for me, I have been born at some place which happens to be territory of something called “Germany”. Why should I be proud about the place where I were born? That’s no achievement, I didn’t even contribute to it. I’m proud that I managed to contribute to democracy by protesting and voting. I also felt proud about the A I got in some elementary school test. I’m really proud about switching from Windows to Arch Linux in less than 2 hours. I may some day feel proud for my children while watching them doing something great. I contributed to all of this more or less directly and I can feel proud about it for that reason. But why should I feel proud about a country? Germany is nothing I’m responsible for, the (current path of the) USA is nothing you are responsible for. If you were responsible for it, why shouldn’t I be too?
We can’t feel proud about it, we can’t feel ashamed for it, because it isn’t our fault. However we can change the current situation. Changing the world, having the courage to try it, is something we can feel proud about.
- Comment on Is anyone else not feeling that patriotic for July 4? 1 week ago:
Kinda interesting how you US-Americans have a certain day for being even more patriotic than the average US-patriotism rest of the time. As a German I personally haven’t felt patriotic at any point in my life and most of the people I know (probably more left-leaning than German average) always looked at your patriotism (espacially on July 4th) with a certain lack of understanding. Why even be patriotic? Why always raise the US-flag? Why are there Florida men running through hurricanes with an US-flag? And why celebrate your patriotism even more on a specific date, even as a more left-leaning person?
- Comment on Why does America feel the need to control the world? Do what they say? Instead of taking care of their own problems at home? When did the US become police officer of the world and enforcer? 3 weeks ago:
lol
- Comment on Why does America feel the need to control the world? Do what they say? Instead of taking care of their own problems at home? When did the US become police officer of the world and enforcer? 3 weeks ago:
Nor threatening any country.
- Comment on Why does America feel the need to control the world? Do what they say? Instead of taking care of their own problems at home? When did the US become police officer of the world and enforcer? 3 weeks ago:
It’s not about the USA, it’s about (powerful) countries in general. Russia, China, USA, … If someone has power (or wants to have it looks on North Korea) they want to keep it.
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virustotal.com can help at least somewhat.
- Comment on Just sayin’ bro 4 months ago:
I know what you mean even though we are making fun of the scam, not of her.
- Comment on Just sayin’ bro 4 months ago:
At least the bots use her picture.
- Comment on Just sayin’ bro 4 months ago:
She put so much effort in all those bots, she deserves it.
- Comment on Just sayin’ bro 4 months ago:
- Comment on Just sayin’ bro 4 months ago:
I have sixskin:
- Comment on What gives you hope to keep going? 7 months ago:
In general, humanity (at least in Europe?) developed positively over the past few centuries. There were of course setbacks, but they didn’t last too long and sometimes even lead to great progress. Nevertheless we must fight for progress and shouldn’t give up just because the world once again seems to get even worse. Even more important when it comes to problems we have just a tiny period of time to fight against like climate change, we need to act now and can’t waste ten years being (ruled by) facists.
- Comment on The internet, every October 8 months ago:
Yeah…
- Comment on The internet, every October 8 months ago:
OH. Laaaaaaaaaast Christmas.
- Comment on The internet, every October 8 months ago:
Valentine’s Day?
- Comment on The internet, every October 8 months ago:
Oh, NN November?
- Comment on The internet, every October 8 months ago:
November?
- Comment on The internet, every October 8 months ago:
It’s this time of the year again already?
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- Comment on Who or what is Jerma? 11 months ago:
(OP is Jerma secretly advertising theirself.)
- Comment on Does anyone else feel like fireworks are a complete waste of money and a ridiculous amount of unnecessary Pollution? 1 year ago:
So technically 3 again?
