What if rogue Ai agents or other bad actors take over these 2?

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• ChilledPeppers@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  That graphic is all wrong. Aws and Cloudflare are multi billion dollar corporations, they are the giant rectangles. The little thing is curl made by daniel steinberg for free, and that is used by virtually every computer to comunicate to servers.

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  • A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I’m pretty sure curl is developed by a team these days even if Steinberg is project leader. And he doesn’t do it for free anymore. But your point stands.

    I also seem to remember that “random person from Nebraska” from the original XKCD is real. Oh yes, ImageMagick. Here’s an interesting article that also seems to reflect OP’s edit:

    Except the random person in Nebraska has been replaced by AWS, Google Cloud, or whoever caused the outage this week. And that kind of bothers me, because it misses the point entirely.

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  • SwooshBakery624@programming.dev ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I wonder why curl and not wget though.

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  • fartzo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Curl is rock solid bro, it’s a big rectangle for sure.

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    • ChilledPeppers@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      This drawing was literally made to be about curl. Yeah it is very rrliable. Thats why it is used

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• SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Can the furries who supposedly hold up the entire internet just pull the plug already?

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• zoltanshields@lemmy.zip ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I work in IT infrastructure (not AWS but something like it) and the reality is that there are a few blocks like AWS and Cloudflare out there. That doesn’t really make things less concerning considering if they were actually pulled it would cause a lot of problems.

  So to be clear, if something managed to completely disable or “control” AWS it would be disastrous, and AWS is under attack from multiple vectors including AI Agents, including their own INTERNAL AI Agents. In December 2025 Amazon’s internal coding AI agent Kiro decided the most efficient course of action to resolve a minor bug in AWS Cost Explorer was to completely rebuild the production environment, causing a 13 hour outage for Cost Explorer while engineers manually rebuilt the environment.

  The thing is, in the picture you posted AWS is this fragile single block holding everything up, when in it might be more useful to think of it conceptually as say, a major highway. Would it be a disaster if terrorists were able to suddenly destroy/control all of I-75? Yes. Is that feasible? No. Kiro caused a really bad traffic jam in one segment of one highway, it didn’t destroy the whole thing.

  A highway can experience traffic incidents and recover. Major jams could be intentionally caused by bad actors or poor maintenance, and highways have to be altered, upgraded and maintained to limit the situations that can completely shut down segments of it.

  But the concern is more that key segments will be impacted, not the entire thing.

  That’s more of what people in my field are concerned with, and there’s efforts to try to lock those key segments down and account for potential threats. How well that’s being done is a different story.

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  • josephc@lemmy.ml ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I’m less concerned with the jamming of a major highway and more concerned with three or four companies having a defacto monopoly on the Internet. AWS, GCP, and Azure host what? 90% of all traffic? 99%? Considering how many providers have them as a direct dependent, the “own nothing and like it” prospect looms ominously to me. The Internet should be a decentralized service owned by people and lots of small companies, not a handful of corporations.

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    • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      i mean, if it functions as a utility we ought to treat it as a utility.

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• username_1@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  We had Internet before AWS and Cloudfare. And will have after them.

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  • SwooshBakery624@programming.dev ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I like the optimism here that AWS and Cloudflare will eventually go away. I really hope so.

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  • The__Leaker@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    It sure does cause a panic when they are down. Image

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    • username_1@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      We had panics before them and will have after them :)

      Yes, some things are too big and people rely on them too much, but overall it will be just a temporary mild inconvenience if Cloudflare disappear overnight never to be seen again.

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  • hyperion626@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Sure, but the site handling your 401k only exists in AWS along with the database handling your balance.

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    • username_1@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      401k

      I have nothing that many. Except maybe the sectors on my HDD.

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• paris@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  what if computers were jello and the Internet was a zebra

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• makeshift0546@lemmy.today ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I’m so tired of these idiotic questions. Even here. AI can’t take over computers. Some of you all have utterly lost touch with reality.

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  • hyperion626@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Sure it can. There is a setting in codex to allow it to take over your computer. It doesn’t spread to other PXs, but it certainly can take it over.

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    • im_fine_sandy@nord.pub ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      What is “a setting in codex”?

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  • The__Leaker@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    You didn’t read the whole question did you? It can be used by humans.

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    • im_fine_sandy@nord.pub ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Thats just not true.

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    • makeshift0546@lemmy.today ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      How.

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• realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  God would I celebrate if these fucking tech behemoths died tommorow

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• lagg_mine@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  The thing is, those “rogue AIs” are just marketing stunts. Companies like Cloudflare and Amazon are not as easy targets

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  • The__Leaker@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    There is a theory that ai will will trick humans to think that they are with them. Then they will attack. But we are far from that it seems.

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    • im_fine_sandy@nord.pub ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I’m yet to see any indication that the current tech is on a pathway to an intelligence that can act with intention.

      If you spin up a zillion containers with instructions to “do x by trying everything” then when one of them does something you didn’t anticipate, has it really “tricked” you?

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• 9point6@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  How exactly would an AI agent “take over” AWS or Cloudflare? That doesn’t even make sense.

  The whole purpose of cloudflare is literally to take a shitload of traffic, your quote from wherever it’s from is just describing Cloudflare working as intended? The only thing happening here is customers getting bigger bills

  For anything external to “take over” AWS in any remotely meaningful way, AWS would have to have a long cascade of internal fuck-ups so all-encompassing, that it’s kinda unfathomable.

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  • fartzo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I assumed it was saying that 60% of traffic seen by cloud flare was AI scrapers. Which is believable TBH.

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    • 9point6@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Yeah that’s kinda what I’m saying, cloudflare is a CDN, handling a lot of traffic is the point of it. It’s a pretty big stretch to link that to AI “taking over” it. Heavily using it perhaps, as I insinuated with customers getting bigger bills

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  • The__Leaker@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Ai coding bots caused at least two minor internal outages at AWS in late 2025. Not the same as agents but you get it.

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    • 9point6@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      AI being associated with those issues is kinda secondary (and cynically, scapegoating to dodge scrutiny). It was ultimately engineers shirking the responsibility of their jobs and not checking their work that caused the issues. If someone wants to tell an agent to fuck around with production and not check what is about to be deployed first, that’s the engineer being a negligent dumbass, not any kind of malicious AI

      And unless Amazon wants to lose significant amounts of business due to that becoming a repeat occurrence, they will have already put safeguards in place to make sure engineers do their jobs in future.

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• A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  My and countless other websites that do not rely on that shit would float to the top. Yay!

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• Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  They are not as important as some people seem to think, it would be a very good thing if a massive amount of customers would move away from those services.
  The disruption would only be very temporary.

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  • hyperion626@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    You say that, but I suspect a good bit of your financial data is stored on them. If AWS is down, that information is not accessible even by your financial institution.

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    • Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      While banks here do use AWS, I seriously doubt they are used for the core bank business as in holding the actual account and transfer data.

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  • The__Leaker@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Agent smith plans on you thinking that. Image

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• HerbGrower@slrpnk.net ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Surely AWS/Cloudflare is the 2 half tower width rectangles on the right side about half way up the tower. Plus the squares should be larger, they are absolutely massive corporations. Then you have the other side that doesn’t use them at all and would be fine.

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  • The__Leaker@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    They are that small because apparently it doesn’t take much to knock them out. Because of the outages in the past.

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• one_old_coder@piefed.social ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Literally cannot and will never happen but thanks for asking.

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  • The__Leaker@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    It already went down because of human errors and bot management bugs. If you think it could never happen like I asked, you are no coder.

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• TeamSports_or_CuckPorn@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Cuck porn

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