[Caves of Qud] Would Grit gate recoil transport me right to the Barathrumites?

Submitted ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨catfeeder@piefed.blahaj.zone⁩ to ⁨games@lemmy.world⁩

I found a Grit Gate recoiler just laying on the ground very early in the game. Unfortunately I died before I could use it (no cells). Would it work?

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False@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I don’t see why not. The problem would be that you’d be at the entrance and they wouldn’t let you in until you did Golgotha. And you’d have to fight your way back up to the surface anyways. So it wouldn’t gain you much.

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- catfeeder@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
  The bears thought of everything!
  
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tal@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
Yes, but honestly, it won’t help you that much.

IMHO, the major challenge to reaching the exterior of Grit Gate is learning to handle goatfolk (especially goatfolk sowers, where you need to break line of sight until close up). It’s not that hard to get there.

I’d say that being able to handle Golgotha, which you need to beat to get the Barathrumites to open the city up, is the larger issue.

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- catfeeder@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
  On my Roleplay run (my main) I beat Golgotha first try without any problems but I just can’t reach the soulsucker’s village because the goatfolk just keep killing me on my way.
  
  And on my current Classic run I was going precariously through jungle (in hope the quest there is easy) and the game was like “waow a new village!” and excitedly made me enter a goatfolk village lmao.
  
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  - tal@lemmy.today ⁨52⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago
    
    but I just can’t reach the soulsucker’s village because the goatfolk just keep killing me on my way.
    
    Mamon Souldrinker can be, IMHO, a hard fight, the quest isn’t a prerequisite for anything, and the rewards aren’t anything fantastic. His fight is a quite significant bump in difficulty from regular goatfolk, I’d say. I’d probably back-burner it.
    
    At least for me — I normally play a melee character — and I assume most people, the biggest problem with the goatfolk is the goatfolk sowers, which have explosive missile weapons. You’re in a jungle. Use the trees to break line of sight with them so that you only engage them in melee. Don’t engage crowds if you aren’t up to it; you can lure lone enemies off onto an adjacent, cleared screen. If you’re a melee character, and can’t use trees to get as close as possible, Charge will let you close the last bit of distance quickly.
    
    Discretion is the better part of valor. If it looks risky, don’t take the fight.
    
    When you walk off the current screen to another, enemies who are close to you will follow shortly thereafter. However, if you leave that screen before they enter, you won’t be followed (e.g. leave near a a corner of the current screen, then exit off to another screen prior to the enemies following you to the second screen).
    
    You have a Sprint ability in your abilities tab. That’ll let you briefly move faster than enemies. “Sprint adds the ability to start sprinting, with a cooldown of 100. While sprinting, a character’s movement speed is doubled, and this effect lasts for 10 turns by default.” That’ll help break line-of-sight or get off the current screen.
    
    Especially if you’re a mutant, you may have some “escape key” abilities already — most roguelikes tend to favor having some kind of “escape key”. For physical mutations, something like Phasing, or the ability to emit line-of-sight blocking gas (Sleep Gas Generation, Corrosive Gas Generation) for physical mutations. I don’t play espers much, but for them, maybe something like Force Bubble.
    
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Azathoth@fedia.io ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
My recollection is that it transports you right outside their gate, which will be locked until you do that quest. So it would work but maybe not achieve the goal you wanted? I think you can also get provisional permission to trade with a single one of their merchants without doing the quest if you ask nicely. Super good game though. Lots of wacky things you can get to work, like that, depending on how lucky you are and how badly you want to break things.

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- catfeeder@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
  Ah okay! Makes me feel a less bad about losing that run to two turrets and a chameleon.
  
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- Sanctus@anarchist.nexus ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  This is correct, it would work in a way. But you won’t be able to chill with the bears unless you get to the bottom of Golgotha.
  
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