It’s almost always about oil, land, money, power rather than whatever they tell you. None of it is random.
Does it seem like US presidents just throw a dart on a spinning globe and say he lets start fucking with this or that country? Used to be arbitrary, now it seems the GOV no longer lie just do.
Submitted 22 hours ago by Patnou@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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Diddlydee@feddit.uk 18 hours ago
napkin2020@sh.itjust.works 12 hours ago
Are you throwing darts at random communities to post US politics shit without reading rules?
Patnou@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Umm no. Not all my stuff involves the US. Plus sometimes it makes for better discourse. If I knew more about other countries I would ask about them also. I don’t post just about Politics. Have you seen my post history? Everyone else has. No. And I am not baiting users into an ideological war. How is my question provoking a war? It reads to me someone looking for a fight. Only thing I bait people on is good discourse and engagement which I think is a lost art because people are so quick to get offended…kind of like you right now…instead of having a nice disagreement or debate. If you would like to debate anything else make a post and I will be free to have a civil discussion.
napkin2020@sh.itjust.works 1 hour ago
Do you honestly think that the post is a genuine question?
!politicaldiscussion@lemmy.world
Please go there and ask whatever shit this is.
ruuster13@lemmy.zip 22 hours ago
This post is nonsensical. Your illiteracy might have undermined your propaganda campaign today.
Patnou@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
Propaganda requires intent to something bigger more uncivilized. Ask a question is not. I just felt like starting a conversation. I may be the last one on the net that likes a good discourse
JTskulk@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
Pretty much: “Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show the world we mean business,” en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Ledeen
Chaunticleer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 hours ago
Nah. Shit’s pretty deliberately about making money for a handful of half-reptile child fuckers and perpetuating the culture war.
underThunder@thelemmy.club 21 hours ago
The only US president or government who has ever done this is this one. Not plural, singular.
Arcanepotato@crazypeople.online 14 hours ago
It was like 22 years ago that it came to light that the US and Britain lied about Iraq stockpiling WMD so they could invade Iraq. The US had been trying to find an excuse for a little while. It is maddening that GW Bush was able to rehab his image to folksy grandpa from blood thirsty war criminal.
It sure felt like there was more resistance from the public for that than for what Trump is doing now. There is a reason the education system has been allowed to go to shit and people are kept distracted with the red vs blue instead of seeing what every US administration has done on behalf of the american people.
cattywampas@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
Which one seems arbitrary to you? They’ve all got reasons, even if they’re not good ones. They’re certainly not chosen at random.
Patnou@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
Vietnam, Korea, Desert Storm, bombing asprin factory in Africa, Afghanistan the first time, Iraq the second time, now Iran, oh yeah Cambodia (fuck Kissinger)
cattywampas@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
None of those were arbitrary. They all had very real reasons behind them. I’m not defending any of them, but they weren’t chosen at random.
Arcanepotato@crazypeople.online 20 hours ago
The following is extremely simplified. You might also want to learn about 20th century treaties because I think those are critical to understanding the conflicts in east Asia.
Vietnam/Cambodia: proxy war between USSR and the US. Conflict originated from colonialism (see: French Indochina). Japan occupied the region towards the end of WW2 and when they surrendered the Việt Minh (communist) declared independence and opposed the return to French rule. France was like, hell naw and you get the First Indochina war. That ended with the country split into north and south (at the 17th parallel).The French, the USSR and China supported the split and convinced the North Vietnamese to accept. The US and the South Koreans did not agree. France left the conflict at this point and I guess that is why the Vietnam war was a new war 🤷♀️
Korea: Korea had been occupied by Japan since 1910. When the USSR and US defeated Japan they just kind of split the country in half, each responsible for administering a side until things settled down and they could have elections. As far as I understand there was no intent to colonize the old fashioned way, but this was also a proxy war so…
Desert storm: the popular answer is going to be oil but I think it’s important to understand the impact the cold war had on this part of Asia too. I am way less familiar with these wars but the wiki article on the Cold War in Asia looks pretty promising.
Al-Shifa pharmaceutical factory: This was bombed because of suspected ties to al-Qaeda. The US was in conflict with al-Qaeda at the time in retaliation for the embassy bombings. Again, this is all linked back to the Soviet-Afghan war.
Afghanistan the first time (?): do you mean 2001? The US decided the al-Qaeda was behind the attacks and that the Taliban was helping them. The Taliban was the government of Afghanistan. The US attacked them because they did not hand over bin Laden.
Iraq the second time: Oil. The Gulf war was never resolved. Regime change was the stated policy of the US since 1998. Bombing happened right after that (with the UK helping), but 9/11 gave them to excuse they needed to actually invade.
Iran: we’ve come full circle to the proxy wars again. Maybe that’s a stretch but there is a shift in who the “world powers” are and I think that’s raising the stakes in a conflict that is otherwise probably mostly about oil. Way back in the 1950s the Iranian government nationalized the oil industry so the US/UK supported a coup d’état which gave the shah (hereditary ruler) more power. The Iranian revolution replaced the shah with the Islamic Republic. Iran and the US have been in indirect conflict in the region since then basically. There are pro and anti Western groups in the middle east and it comes down to access to oil. Why now? Israel asked. Iran and Israel are enemies and the US has interest in regime change.