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peak trek was TNG seasons 3-5.
DS9 was “nu trek” because it strayed from the original optimistic view of the utopian future and became edgy.
TOS and TNG Seasons 1-2 were too horny and hippy.
TNG Seasons 6-7 were running out of ideas or getting edgy.
IDK too much about VOY and ENT.
I don’t know, DS9 is not that edgy and when there is extremist actions they are complained for not follow the starfleet tradition or being unethicals.
In the aftermath, Cardassian and Human colonists are resettled on the poisoned colonies, exchanging their former homes. Back on DS9, Eddington is turned over to Odo, and Dax has Sisko confess that he didn’t clear his plot to poison the Maquis colonies with Starfleet. Dax remarks that undertaking that action was a big gamble and Sisko responds that that is what it takes to be a good villain. “You know, sometimes I like it when the bad guy wins,” Dax tells Sisko as they walk away from the airlock.
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It doesn’t make it seem like there was any comeuppance for , IDK, using weapons of mass destruction on civillians and hoping their evacuation within an hour doesn’t fail.
Most of TNG painted a picture of a perfect utopian Starfleet and how humans had grown up, like you say . (Obviously, humanity is never perfect but the messaging is fairly clear: They try.)
I can chime in more about VOY and ENT though…
VOY is my favorite and also when you start to see a little more of humanity in Starfleet. We learned a few things like: The Prime Directive/Temporal Prime Directives were always just suggestions, murder could actually be justified, you will never get promoted past ensign if you play the clarinet and chemical addiction is still a key driver in human decisions and behavior.
ENT is just the human transition out of a military focused race to a race focused on exploration. (I am not sure why Archer always seems to have serious case of constipation, but it is what it is.)
I think DS9 works if you consider it more as a “show about star trek” rather than just as “star trek”. E.g., it’s a good deconstruction of what is “necessary” for a utopia, or for looking at the limits of how a utopia van operate in practice.
DS9’s characters and their dynamics are my favorite amongst any star trek show, but I think it’s fair to say that the show does not stick to the core world building “pillars” of star trek. However, I think it would be unfair to dismiss it as simply edgy for the sake of edginess.
(Similar to KOTOR and star wars - really cool how the game turns the idea of the Force on its head, but definitely not in line with George Lucas’ vision. I would still want to see a movie about this anyways)
you make a salient point. I don’t know if I’m inclined to agree, but it’s a good point.
Similar to KOTOR and star wars - really cool how the game turns the idea of the Force on its head, but definitely not in line with George Lucas’ vision.
Not sure I follow. I loved KOTOR2 (my favourite piece of star wars)
Nailed it
Some of the most fun trek is DS9’s “on station, at Quark’s” episodes/moments. (I have not seen anything beyond 2 eps of lower decks, or SNW)
TNG is great serious Trek. It’s quite straight up though.
Episodic shows are better than serial ones. Serial shows leave so many loose ends. Episodic shows are focused and deliver a full story in under an hour. DS9 is so long and rambling, it could have been done concisely in just a few seasons.
Unpopular opinion - DS9 is my least favorite so far. I liked Discovery more and ENT even more so. Voyager is my heart. TNG, TOS, Lower Decks… all amazing. I’m saving SNW cause I know it’s gonna be good. So unless Picard is really that bad, DS9 hangs in last place for me right now
Don’t get me wrong, the character development is great and the show was good. But DS9 just wasn’t very “Trek” to me. Don’t hate me
Man you know when people say they have an unpopular opinion usually it’s some lukewarm take, but this is pure unique stance and while I absolutely do not share it I salute you for it.
Is that Dr. Migleemo behind the poster?
It is in fact Duck. I did not intend that coincidence, but it is welcome.
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Allamaraine!